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Post by Waverley on Sept 23, 2009 16:12:04 GMT 1
I think what you guys are referring to was the crash in Old Shettleston Road on Wednesday 28th January 1959. A tramcar crashed into a lorry and was set a light within seconds from a 600 volts surge of lightning from the overhead cable. Three people were burned to death which included the tramcar driver and two female passengers. The tramcar driver was to be married on Friday the 30th of January.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 23, 2009 15:44:23 GMT 1
Not a problem Norrie as the member is new and had not been told of the proceedure and it will be rectified.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 23, 2009 6:53:22 GMT 1
Once again a new member published some excellent photographs on the site which breached copyright and I had to remove them and hopefully he will repost the rectified versions later. I could've done it myself but I am too busy working on the Riverside Web-site. I have to remind you all that it is not acceptable to just go into someone else's site and copy their photographs and major editions of their works and post them on here. If you are going to post photographs which you do not own personally i.e. an actual copy of the original you must credit its source i.e. Virtual Mitchell Collection etc.,. Also you cannot go onto another site and post photos from it on here unless you get the permission of the owner of the photograph first...especially if he is alive and kicking and living in a single-end in sunny Bridgeton. ;D I know , I know, I guess you are all fed up listening to me going on about this...and believe me I get fed up listening to myself as well. However as we are going through a transformation process on new boards off-site we need to make sure that all historic photos are actually in the public domain and not going to get us into bother over copyright issues.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 19:52:53 GMT 1
Excellent stuff Anthony we really need to meet up and do Tollcross Central and Dalbeth Cemeteries.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 13:45:07 GMT 1
The1902 Ibrox Disaster.. 25 supporters where killed when the wooden stand collapsed during the international match between Scotland v England.. Andy I forgot to mention that one of the victims is buried just in behind the Cross of Sacrifice in Janefield Cemetery.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 13:19:06 GMT 1
11 Aug 2009
The Origins of Hibernian
Birth of Celtic Football Club
Brother Walfrid was doing a great deal of good work in Glasgow's East End, through his Poor Children's Dinner Table charity. He had called upon the good grace of his friends in Edinburgh many times, and did so again in 1887, asking Canon Hannan if Hibernian might play in a charity match against Renton in Glasgow. Canon Hannan of course immediately agreed, and the game took place on Clyde's Barrowlfield ground. An astonishing 12,000 people turned out to watch the Scottish Cup holders draw 1-1. The money raised from this one game was beyond the dreams of anything Brother Walfrid had managed to raise in the past, and it is believed that this was the moment when he made up his mind that Glasgow should have their very own version of Hibernian Football Club.
The Irish Catholic community in Glasgow at this time numbered around 250,000, and Brother Walfrid knew that if Canon Hannan could raise so much from the Little Ireland community of Edinburgh that was a mere tenth of that number, then surely a similar side in Glasgow could do much more. It should not be thought that he in any way wished to harm Hibernian, far from it, he appreciated very much the help that he had received from Canon Hannan and the St Patrick's CYMS. His reasoning was that he could not continue to expect Hibernian to help his community when they had so much work to do in their own. He endeavoured then to copy the lead of Canon Hannan, knowing that the Edinburgh priest would do all he could to aid him in his task.
Over the coming months several meetings were arranged in Glasgow to drum up support for the idea of a new 'Hibernian' in Glasgow. Some Irish Catholic leaders however could see some of the danger signs, as it was becoming apparent in these meetings that some of the men coming to the fore where business-minded with hints that personal gain rather than charitable aims were uppermost in their thoughts. Brother Walfrid however appeared oblivious to this as he pressed forward with his plans, taking everyone at face value. By November Brother Walfrid was ready along with his supporters from St Mary's Parish, and they revealed that a new football club would be formed. While most wanted the new club to be named Glasgow Hibernian, Brother Walfrid opposed this on the grounds that it would cause confusion. He got his way, and Glasgow Celtic was born. The real men behind this move however proved to be the businessmen, a builder from Donegal named John Glass and Pat Welsh, a tailor who had left Ireland under furtive circumstances 20 years previously. These men had seen the earning potential of a professional football club, and their subsequent methods of achieving their aims was to prove catastrophic for Hibernian Football Club.
Misguided Delight
Hibernian though were delighted on hearing the news of the formation of Celtic Football Club, and typical of Hibs they made an immediate donation towards the expenses of forming the new club, letting it be known at the same time that anything they could do to help would be done. Hibernian continued blissfully unaware that the founding of Celtic might cause them even the slightest problem, after all did every Irish Catholic not see football as they did, as a means of doing some good for their communities? More important at this time for Hibernian was their first ever tour of Ireland; at last the men of Little Ireland were to visit the homeland of the fathers.
Michael Whelahan was joined by a large party of officials and players for the trip, including John and Philip Farmer who would play a major part in the future of the club. Hibs first game came on Monday 2nd April 1888 against Belfast Distillery, with Hibernian running out winners by three goals to one before a very large crowd. Twenty four hours later and Hibs defeated a United Belfast side 4-1, Hibernian this time earning a standing ovation from appreciative Irish fans.
One month later, Hibernian travelled to Glasgow to fulfil a promise Canon Hannan had made to Brother Walfrid, Hibernian would formally open Celtic Park with a game against Cowlairs. The match ended in a 0-0 draw but was a highly entertaining one for all that, the new Glasgow club benefiting greatly from gate receipts with Hibernian paying their own expenses. On 28th May, Celtic played their own first game, against Rangers, but as they still did not have a full team they leaned heavily on their friends from Edinburgh and seven of the players in their side that day had connections with Hibs - Celtic won the game 5-2.
On Borrowed Time
In the following weeks Celtic played several games and each time used players borrowed from Hibernian. There were rumours doing the rounds of course about the intentions of the new Glasgow club, but these were dismissed by the Hibernian committee who simply would not believe that their close friends would mean them any harm. It's a great pity that the Hibs men were so trusting, as John Glass and his partners were already making their own plans and these included financial inducements being offered to the best players in the Hibernian side that they might join Glasgow Celtic for the following season.
By August 1888, the Hibernian committee men had learned that the rumours where in fact true, and the cream of the best football side in Scotland would not be turning out for Hibernian, but rather had defected to Celtic and the riches being promised. Just as shocked as the Hibernian men were most of the Celtic committee as well, who had not been aware what John Glass and his supporters were doing. Even if Hibs had wished to take Celtic on like for like, they could not do so, the very being of Hibernian was that every penny earned went to charitable causes, Celtic had undertaking no such principles.
John Glass had recognised the massive financial rewards that would ensue from professional football. The game had gone professional in England sometime before, and Scotland was about to follow, all the same the way he set about using the loyalties of the Irish immigrant population left a sour taste in many a mouth. Celtic were seeking to have the best of both worlds, they would sign any players they wished while still retaining an appeal to the Irish community. Business had, not for the first time, trampled over idealism, money had spoken and it was not the first time in the history of Hibernian Football Club that they would suffer for their own ideals.
This concludes 'The Origins of Hibernian'. Look out for more articles following the history of Hibernian football club to be published on this site soon. For a detailed history of Hibernian, you can purchase the three volumes 'The Making of Hibernian' by Alan Lugton, available via the Club store.
An interesting version of the birth of Celtic from an Edinburgh angle and slightly different from the version that some Celtic historians have been trying to put a cross in recent years. it seems Brother Walfrid was totally disillusioned by the antics and greed of some of the first board members.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 12:20:03 GMT 1
Got a loan of this wee cracker from a friend. It cost the grand sum of £1 12/6d for the season...
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 7:25:29 GMT 1
PS. Anthony we would need to eastablish when the 'Scabby Loan' incident took place before we could link the men into the Parkhead Model...which would've been built to accommodate the migrants workers who came to the area seeking work in the nearby Forge. My Portadown born great granda and his family were listed as being in Ravel Row in the 1901 Census and my granda was born there in 1899.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 7:16:49 GMT 1
Once again Anthony welcome. In Scotland a 'loan' sometimes pronounced 'lawn' was a stretch of common land which was usually a common thoroughfare leading to a meadow or field where cattle grazed in this case the bit of land in Beattock Street as we know it today...which incidentally was later to become Parkhead Juniors ground after they moved from their original home in Camlachie.
It is difficult to say when the 'scab labour' was brought in to complete the building of the tenements but it has always been part of Parkhead folk-lore and some old Parkheidians still refer to that area as such...by the way who is or was your granny.
I would have imagined that the strike=breakers would have been from Ireland prior to the formation of Northern Ireland as a Province in the 1920's so it is difficult to establish where the labourers came from in the island or what religion they were...I would imagine that they were already resident in the city rather than just being imported in from Ireland for the job.
I am sure there is some reference to houses and living quarters in and around that part of Tollcross Road or Great Eastern Road as it was known as back then in Willox's book but no mention of the industrial dispute.
Many thanks for the CWGC photos. I am currently updating and modernising the Thistle and the Poppy section on here and any contribution to the War Memorials and Cemeteries will be gratefully received.
You have set me a task now so I will see what I can come up with in the Mitchell Library re the 'Scabby Lawn'.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 17, 2009 10:39:29 GMT 1
OK Guys nae mair shouting...so please cut out the capital letters or I will simply just remove the posts.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 16, 2009 7:14:09 GMT 1
another nice yin for ye cherlie dear.. I recently bought an original copy of that postcard Alice...I haven't put it on here as yet as I am busy rebuilding all the topics and will add it later along with the other crackers I have of Bridgeton Cross. ;D
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Post by Waverley on Sept 15, 2009 14:41:37 GMT 1
Here is a wee gem from the old Cross Bar... Left to Right. John Healy, Andy McInnes, Tucker Hobbs, Tamla Watson, Spud Norwood & John 'Jum' Teague.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 15, 2009 6:21:57 GMT 1
heard this story many times,but why would they keep tickets in a cupboard for over 60yrs,& every last 1 is in mint condition, i know of 1 dealer who had about 250 of them around about the time you say. I have three Andy... ;D The story I heard was they were found in some old cupboard in the Admin Centre when it was being renovated for use as the Astro Turf Stadium which is quite feasible if you remember that it was very seldom used by the general public prior to the Astro Turf Stadium being opened. Even when the Waverley used it as dressing rooms and played our home games at Westthorn it was still pretty ancient and spartan in so far as changing acommodation was concerned...I genuinely believe that the tickets are legit Andy. It was a shame how the park was allowed to fall into disrepair as in effect it was a War Memorial Park in memory of the Tramways Battalion. H.R.H. Duke of York kicks off the game between Partick Thistle and Rangers at the opening of Helenvale Park. PS Bye the way Andy is it true you and Big Andrews dogged school that day and got a lift 'er to the gemme... ;D
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Post by Waverley on Sept 14, 2009 20:15:29 GMT 1
The thing is Andy yours is obviously a complimentary ticket for the main stand the other one is for the terracing which were discovered in a cupboard in Helenvale Park when it switched over to the Astro-turf park in the very early 1980's. The game did take place Andy and was kicked off by the Duke of York who later became King George the present Queen's father. Rangers were winning by six goals to nil when the referree called a halt to it after about forty minutes. The Queen Mother played a tennis match on the tennis courts in the park before she and the King were presented with a silver football which opened up like a faberge egg to reveal a solid silver Glasgow Tramcar. The Duke of York then rededicated the Whitevale Garage Memorial to the 15th Glasgow Tramways Battalion in the forecourt of the new Parkhead Tramways Depot.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 13, 2009 8:42:41 GMT 1
Yes, We should never, NEVER forget these Brit heroes. Jamesey they were all heroes the Britsh and Commonwealth troops , the French , the Belgians , the Turks and dare I say it the Germans as well... how anyone could have lived and fought in those conditions is hard to even imagine.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 13, 2009 8:36:59 GMT 1
Get back to the thread lads we are talking about the Torch fae Camlachie here not the boozers and howffs of London...
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Post by Waverley on Sept 9, 2009 22:18:12 GMT 1
I wonder who! ;D Get that freekin h oot oh ma name. ;D Take the 'h' oot yer name Jameseybhoy...by you own words in yer book ye condemned yersel...and confessed to being a bead rhattler when you went up the London Road to see your heroes. ;D
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Post by Waverley on Sept 8, 2009 19:30:57 GMT 1
I know who to blame when the Third World War starts Jamesbhoy...
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Post by Waverley on Sept 8, 2009 11:56:04 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Sept 8, 2009 6:23:08 GMT 1
It must be an age thing, but I now have an interest that I didn't have before!! Probably because we all grew up knowing someone 'who was there' but we never asked and they never told and they have all gone now and we have lost something that belonged to us all...if only we knew then what we know now and maybe just maybe we would've asked them. : I am only glad that I got the wake up call some twenty years ago and managed to meet some of 'the Boys of the Old Brigade' and my personal life has benefitted from it in many ways...to late to ask my own grandfather who died when I was ten but I have learned a lot about what he went through by talking to others 'who were there'. :'
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Post by Waverley on Sept 7, 2009 18:48:20 GMT 1
The Great War was the result of blundering at the highest level by Kaiser Wilhelm the Second. This made Germany more culpable than most I reckon in its role. Bismarck would never have got germany into such a costly(in terms of lifes lost) war. We have travelled down this road before wi' you Jameseybhoy on other boards and to be honest nobody really gives a hoot who started it as it was inevitable that it was going to happen at all costs. The vast majority of Great War 'buffs' are not interested who started it but prefer to remember all the people who fought , died and survived the 'Armageddon' of the Great War battlefields...Brits , French and Germans meet as friends now on the battlefields of Europe blaming no one for starting it but only asking 'how and why did we ever gets this far'.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 7, 2009 13:21:45 GMT 1
A memorial plaque commemorating the birth of The Rangers on Glasgow Green in 1872 was unveiled yesterday in the Admin block at the Glasgow Green Football Centre. The plaque was funded by the City of Glasgow Council...that must have broke their hearts. www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Headlines/0,,5~1789782,00.html
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Post by Waverley on Sept 7, 2009 10:31:42 GMT 1
Watched it yesterday and have to say it was excellent. Got a wee bit excited when they were talking at the 51st Highland Division Memorial at Beaumont Hamel and they started talking about the 16th and 17th Highland Light Infantry on the First of July. I was expecting them to go to the HLI Memorial plaque at Authuille but they didn't...never mind at least the 'boys' got a mention. Just puts me in the mood to get back out there as soon as possible...
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Post by Waverley on Sept 5, 2009 17:52:44 GMT 1
I'll watch out for it Andy. Thanks.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 2, 2009 22:21:14 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Sept 2, 2009 0:21:12 GMT 1
Andy did you know wee Gus was dead...only found out last year as no one had the decency to tell us - a good friend and committee man of Bridgeton Waverley after he gave up the bus.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 1, 2009 14:59:07 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Sept 1, 2009 13:15:45 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Aug 27, 2009 14:30:37 GMT 1
As a"septic" supporter I will be completely honest and say that I never want rangers to win any game they play against any team anywhere. Fact. However I wouldn't refer to them or their supporters by any insulting names as I wouldn't want to personally cause offence to anyone. My support of Celtic comes from family tradition and not from any sectarian or bigoted stance. Hail hail Andymo I'll sort you out on the 18th ;D Well said Caterina that's what I like honest Tims rather than they 'meally-mouthed' feckers amongst your support who try to kid on they want Rangers to win for the sake of Scottish fitba'...she used to be a 'Shettleston Harrier' but she's a 'Tim' from now on in my book. ;D
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Post by Waverley on Aug 27, 2009 7:10:10 GMT 1
It was always known as the Netherfield when I was younger but changed to all those names that you say Sandy Hills. I was only ever in it twice and that was to play dominoes in the 1980's and my erse was making buttons...I can only describe it like one of those taverns you read about in a Charles Dickens novel , but there again every one to their own as I have no doubt some would say the same about the Clanny. ;D
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