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Post by tollcross on Mar 26, 2011 14:41:53 GMT 1
My first post and have only positive thoughts about Celtic Park I will kick off with great memories of watching Celtic in the 60s, especially being at CP on european nights, the game i remember the most was against Man U 1966 and seeing players like George Best and Denis Law although the did not perform as Celtic beat them 4-1, the match was for the opening of the jungle and the future Lisbon Lions played excellent football, best day was not a game but when the players went round with the Big Cup in 67 and i remember standing on a small workmans shed up the Celtic end, im sure many of the local rangers fans on here were also in the crowd, was you there Charlie?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 15:21:43 GMT 1
I was at that Concert.
It was a lovely summer evening .
I told my Wife I was taking the Kids over to hear the Greatest Rock-n- Roll Band in the World.
My intention was to Park as close as I could and walk to Celtic Park to listen. She decided to come.
We walked past loads of Fans right up Janefield Street and were approached by a young Police Woman who asked where we were going as we Should not be there. . It was taped off and we were the only ones there.
I told her I was taking my Children to hear the greatest Rock-n-Roll Band in the World, The Who.!!
She was very pleasant and thought I had done a great thing. She then told us to " Wait there ", she returned about 10 mins later and said "follow me ", two mins later we were in.!!!
We went in front of stage , my Son who was 3 , was wearing a Denim Jacket ,was on my shoulders , nearly stoned with the cloud of hash, he loved it and was waving his arms about .. The fans were brilliant with him. My Daughter was frightened of the noise, she was six, so my Wife took her up to the back of the Terraces.
It was a magical night.
My best memory of Celtic Park .
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Post by Waverley on Mar 26, 2011 18:13:42 GMT 1
Yes Jamie I was there the night that Celtic returned to Celtic Park with the European Cup. I was also at the games against Nantes, Zurich , Vojvodina and Dukla Prague and also the game that you speak of Robert versus Manchester United. The self same lorry was used by an intruder and crashed into the goals at the Rangers end of the ground several weeks later...and before you ask I don't drive. ;D
I was also at The Who concert and about ten of us from the Clanny got in by bunging auld Hughie Brierley a local man who was doing his doorman the princely sum of two quid between us. My earliest memory of being in Celtic Park was when I was about five at some Junior Cup Final was being played and someone won about seven nil.
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Post by pwm437 on Mar 27, 2011 9:17:58 GMT 1
I have a few vivid memories of Celtic Park. I lived cheek by jowl to the Jungle at 149 Janefield Street.
The photo of Celtic showing off the European Cup from the back of a builders lorry, reminds me of watching the spectacle from my veranda, which had a great view of half the park.
A match I attended and thoroughly enjoyed was watching Rangers play Aberdeen in a Scottish Cup semi final in glorious sunshine, which I think Rangers won comfortably.
The big European nights were always a bit special with huge crowds. We used to stand out on the veranda and watch the crowds at the end of the game. It was quite literally a sea of people, and looking back it was amazing there wasn't a tragedy as crowds were coralled along Janefield Street, into Holywell Street and on to Gallowgate.
One morning, whilst I was doing my O levels, I got finished around 10.30 and started to walk home, as I didn't have any more exams that day. The Janefield Street gates were open and I walked into the stadium. Lo and behold the Celtic reserves were training behind the goals at the Celtic end. A stray ball bounced my way and before long I was involved in the kickabout with them, John Clark was leading the training.
During the late sixties I watched a lot of the reserve games, getting a 'lift over' rather than hang about the streets. It was the Quality Street Kids side, full of names that were to go on and become Celtic greats. In that team, if you said one of them will go on to get over a hundred Scottish caps and a European Cup winners medal, you wouldn't have pointed to Kenny Dalglish, but to Vic Davidson, he was the stand out of that team.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 27, 2011 13:20:00 GMT 1
I have a few vivid memories of Celtic Park. I lived cheek by jowl to the Jungle at 149 Janefield Street. The photo of Celtic showing off the European Cup from the back of a builders lorry, reminds me of watching the spectacle from my veranda, which had a great view of half the park. A match I attended and thoroughly enjoyed was watching Rangers play Aberdeen in a Scottish Cup semi final in glorious sunshine, which I think Rangers won comfortably. The big European nights were always a bit special with huge crowds. We used to stand out on the veranda and watch the crowds at the end of the game. It was quite literally a sea of people, and looking back it was amazing there wasn't a tragedy as crowds were coralled along Janefield Street, into Holywell Street and on to Gallowgate. One morning, whilst I was doing my O levels, I got finished around 10.30 and started to walk home, as I didn't have any more exams that day. The Janefield Street gates were open and I walked into the stadium. Lo and behold the Celtic reserves were training behind the goals at the Celtic end. A stray ball bounced my way and before long I was involved in the kickabout with them, John Clark was leading the training. During the late sixties I watched a lot of the reserve games, getting a 'lift over' rather than hang about the streets. It was the Quality Street Kids side, full of names that were to go on and become Celtic greats. In that team, if you said one of them will go on to get over a hundred Scottish caps and a European Cup winners medal, you wouldn't have pointed to Kenny Dalglish, but to Vic Davidson, he was the stand out of that team. You would have seen this team, there appears to be 2 Kenny Dalglishes in this line-up sitting down the front.
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Post by Waverley on Mar 27, 2011 13:31:45 GMT 1
I was sent this photo by Tollcross...he reckons it is the earliest know photo of Celtic Park which was taken at a Scotland v England match in 1894... It would be interesting to see if anyone has photos of Celtic Park that they think no one has seen, i will kick off with a pic of the Scotland v England game from 1894, its been recognised as the first known pic of Celtic Park, the Celtic historians did not know there was a terracing at the London Road end in 1894 and this pic proves there was, the photographer would have been standing in that terracing and the pic shows the Pavillion to the left with what we called the jungle to its right ( im believe this was knocked down in 1905 and the pavillion in 1925) As for the match it was April 7th and the score ended up 2-2 which meant Scotland won the home championship as England needed a win, for all we know our great grandparents could have been in among the 45,000 crowd, it appears that the coppers were not prepared for such a large crowd. I have recently showed this pic to someone who has studied it and this is his take on the pic and what he knows about the actual match. Sandy McMahon scored Scotland's 2nd goal. England equalised for the 2nd time with 5 mins to go but they needed the win to win the Home Championships. A draw was enough for Scotland to win it. The crowd was a world record for an international and was almost double the previous record for a Scotland/England match. England are in the dark shorts defending the Celtic End. There appears to be goal nets in use, certainly there are stanchions for goal nets.A basic wooden fence appears to be in front of the terracing. An iron railing went up in 1898. Note the cycling track is very shallow and is far smaller than it became in 1897 when CP hosted the World Cycling Championship, an event that provided the reason the board were waiting for to push to become a limited company as the financial reward for hosting the event was less than the cost of the improvements required to satisfy the cycling authorities. There seems to be encroachment from the crowd in front of the Janefield St stand at the west side with polis controlling the overspill. The pitch markings seem to show the 18 yard line goes the full length of the bye line, the 6 yard line appears to be a half circle and there is no half circle adjoining the 18 yard line which was introduced much later. Players leaving the dressing room in the Pavillion to the pitch seem to have the benefit of a small flight of steps which covers the cycling and running tracks, this is the first time i've seen this. There seems to be some kind of structure in the bottom right of the pic, possibly a scaffolding which held up the press box which was introduced in the same year of 1894 and from where the photographer seems to be perched. There appears to be maybe half a dozen rows of spectators with the photographer raised behind them, again likely to be on a basic press box which i'm sure i read was almost similar to the kind of basic covering like the small stand opposite the main stand at Falkirk. England are defending very deeply with 3 men along the 18 yard line and 3 men in front marking 3 of the 5 attacking Scotland players nearest the shy. England have left 4 men up (3 are in the pic) & Scotland have 5 defending (1 in the pic). The ref and the linesman appear to be wearing suits. Note the keeper wore the same strip as the outfield players in those days with a cap on to differentiate. Yours in Sport. Tollcross.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 27, 2011 15:41:59 GMT 1
Many years ago i picked up this Royal Doulton Tea Set, when i did a wee bit of research into it i realised it was not won in the Celtic Park that we know, it would have been presented at the very first Celtic Park, its the oldest Celtic related item i have in my Collection As you may well know no one has ever seen a photo of the very first Celtic Park and is not seen in any of the old maps, the exact location is not known but we have a good idea it was north of Janefield Street as you could sit on the graveyard wall and watch the game, Celtic historians reckon the flats on Malcolm St, Edmiston, Palace and Delburn Street were built on top of it, with Edmiston St being the half way line and the entrance on Dalmarnock St (now Springy Rd) we do know it took 6 month to build and they rented a 5 acre site but left because the landlord raised the rent from £50 to £500 per annum. Would be good to know where the locals think the 1st CP was built or what they have heard.
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Post by Waverley on Mar 27, 2011 16:39:29 GMT 1
A classic bit of east end and Celtic history Jamie... ;D We are very lucky on this board to have two avid collectors of Old Firm memorabalia and ephmera in yourself and the Calton Defender. Between the both of you I am sure that we can build an Old Firm history that will be second to none and I look forward to working with you both on this project over the coming months.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 27, 2011 18:12:45 GMT 1
Just remembered something else, in the 50s before the present frontage of the park, I am sure the name of the club in the red bricks was 'The Celtic Football and Athletic Club'. I dont know of any Athletics that took place there but I do know that the Ibrox Sports was a regular pre season event there certainly throughout the 50s and that Jesse Owens ran there and there were definitely some world records achieved at Ibrox. Point taken Jawbox but please folks don't start posting on here re the Ibrox Sports Days this is after all a Celtic Park topic and should remain so...not quite sure about Jesse Owens, Eric Liddell yes . Plenty of other sports played at Celtic Park apart from Cycling Jawbox For almost 40 years from the inaugural event at the original Celtic Park in 1890 Celtic hosted an annual sports meeting. The meeting was traditionally held in early August prior to the start of the football season and was a major event in the club's calendar. The meeting attracted top athletes from across Britain and even from America with the facilities at Celtic Park proving popular with competitors and spectators. The meetings featured a whole host of event with cycling and athletics the big crowd pullers. It wasn't unusual for the meeting to attract crowds of 25,000 and in 1920 some 40,000 gathered to see Eric Liddell, the Scottish runner immortalised in the Oscar-winning film Chariots of Fire. However the effect of war and unemployment would hit the event and by the end of the decade the once popular annual meeting was no more. Baseball: On September 28th 1918 Celtic Park hosted a baseball game between teams representing the US Forces based on Clydeside. The game was part of a sports meeting involving Allied Forces and was a fund-raiser for a forces hospital in France. A crowd of 12,000 helped to raise the then considerable sum of £500. Boxing: The first bout staged at Celtic Park was in June 2nd 1937 when a crowd of 20,000 saw World flyweight champion Benny Lynch lose on points to Belfast's Jim Warnock in a non-title fight. On May 18th 1949 some 15,000 watched a bill which was topped by Billy Thopson of England defending his European and Commonwealth lightweight titles against Motherwell's Harry Hughes. Cycling: Apart from the Celtic Sports Meeting the ground also hosted the World Cycling Championships in 1897 and the event attracted a crowd of more than 40,000. Shinty & Hurling: The GAA organised a Hurling Exhibition Match at Celtic Park in September 1893. The teams played under the names of "Celtic" and Brian Boru Scotland and Ireland clashed at Celtic Park on June 21st 1913 in a match organised by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA). Ireland were represented by All Ireland champions Kilkenny while Scotland were made up of a select side featuring the best players from clubs in Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire. Rugby: A crowd of around 3,000 watched Australia fighback to snatch a dramatic 17-17 draw with England at Celtic Park on February 3rd 1909. The game was played in horrendous rain. The visiting Australian team was an important set of players dubbed the "Pioneers" who helped to establish the game for the Australians, and Celtic Park is proud to have hosted the "Kangaroos" (as the national team is called). Speedway: A crowd of 5,000 watched what is believed to have been the first ever organised speedway meeting in Britain at Celtic Park on April 8th 1928. The event was organised by Dirt Track Speedways who were trying to promote the event in sport in Scotland. They followed the April meeting with an exhibition of speedway racing during the interval of the Glasgow Charity Cup tie with Rangers on May 5th. Special Olympics: Celtic Park was the venue for the opening of the European Summer Special Olmpics which was held in the Strathclyde region in the summer of 1992. The opening ceremony was held on July 21st and was attended by 32,000 people.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 28, 2011 16:20:41 GMT 1
From the Graveyard to Paradise old Dan Drake from Maryhill seen it all. Story from the Celtic View 1972.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 28, 2011 21:01:24 GMT 1
Was hoping some of the locals can help me with my research and will come up with some answers
The 1st Celtic Park took 6 month to finish from 13th November 1887 to 8th May 1888 challenge game between Edinburgh Hibernian and Cowlairs.
My research shows the very 1st Celtic Park was somewhere North of Janefield Street and according to the very 1st Season Ticket the address was Dalmarnock Street (now Springfield Road) so CP1 was somewhere between Janefield St and going North towards the Gallowgate, as there is no pic of CP1 i can only guess it was built on a 5 acre site facing the Oak Bar which would cover Janefield St, Delburn St, Palace St, Edmiston St, Malcolm St and Springfield Rd, according to my research there was another football team called Oxford who also played on this site in the 1870s.
Q. does anyone know anything about this team Oxford? ( believed to have also played at Copeland Rd and Crosshill) Q. anyone know the exact date when the houses facing the Oak Bar were built ie Springfield Rd, Edmiston St Delburn St etc? Q, when those houses were demolished? 1970ish? Q. when Barrs moved in (think it was 1904) and when they moved out and when the current houses were built?
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Post by tollcross on Mar 29, 2011 15:31:45 GMT 1
Cheers for your input Jawbox and Charlie, have seen the maps for that area in the mitch and have never seen the actual CP mapped out, the map below shows CP2 with the vacant ground to the right, CP1 was in this pic in the white space to the top right of the current CP, The eastern boundary wall of Janefield cemetery was the western boundary wall of the first CP, the other map is much earlier when both areas where vacant. Would be interested to know where you seen the line drawing of CP1, in Jim Craigs book he does a diagram of where he thought it was but i could do that myself, i think the best bet to find a map of it is the railways although they were a few years later but might have needed early maps to do groundwork for Parkhead station and behind the Celtic end. About when the buildings on Springy Rd went up, the building above the London Rd Tavern went up in 1901 so thats a start, its not really important when they came down Charlie was just wanting to know out of curiosity.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 29, 2011 20:05:52 GMT 1
Dont want the thread bogged down wae maps Charlie i filled in the area with green from this old 1865 map.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 30, 2011 0:05:58 GMT 1
Pic taken from Jim Craigs Book showing a diagram of where he believes the 1st Celtic Park was, i agree with him, quite a small area but it would have stretched onto Dalmarnock Street (Springy Road) as Dr John Conway the First Honourary President of Celtic season ticket shows, cost 2/6d to get in with the Ladies and Soldiers admitted free, by his calculations the entrance was at Edmiston Street/Springy Road.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 30, 2011 1:47:50 GMT 1
A Pic for a few on here, little did they fans know they were walking on the old Celtic Park. lets me know you were correct as some of the flats are still standing Charlie. Photo taken with a old kodak Aug 1976
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Post by tollcross on Mar 30, 2011 13:46:05 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Mar 30, 2011 13:50:23 GMT 1
I am not sure Jamie but there is a story relating to why Edmiston Drive got it's name which is indeed ironic if one considers that the first ever OldFirm game was played on ground which later became known as Edmiston Street.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 30, 2011 17:45:23 GMT 1
The Beginning of Celtic Football Club Brother Walfrid was doing a great deal of good work in Glasgow’s East End, through his Poor Children’s Dinner Table charity. He had called upon the good grace of his friends in Edinburgh many times, and did so again in 1887, asking Canon Hannan if Hibernian might play in a charity match against Renton in Glasgow. Canon Hannan of course immediately agreed, and the game took place on Clyde’s Barrowfield ground. An astonishing 12,000 people turned out to watch the Scottish Cup holders draw 1-1. The money raised from this one game was beyond the dreams of anything Brother Walfrid had managed to raise in the past, and it is believed that this was the moment when he made up his mind that Glasgow should have their very own version of Hibernian Football Club. The Irish Catholic community in Glasgow at this time numbered around 250,000, and Brother Walfrid knew that if Canon Hannan could raise so much from the Little Ireland community of Edinburgh that was a mere tenth of that number, then surely a similar side in Glasgow could do much more. It should not be thought that he in any way wished to harm Hibernian, far from it, he appreciated very much the help that he had received from Canon Hannan and the St Patrick’s CYMS. His reasoning was that he could not continue to expect Hibernian to help his community when they had so much work to do in their own. He endeavoured then to copy the lead of Canon Hannan, knowing that the Edinburgh priest would do all he could to aid him in his task. Over the coming months several meetings were arranged in Glasgow to drum up support for the idea of a new ‘Hibernian’ in Glasgow. Some Irish Catholic leaders however could see some of the danger signs, as it was becoming apparent in these meetings that some of the men coming to the fore where business-minded with hints that personal gain rather than charitable aims were uppermost in their thoughts. Brother Walfrid however appeared oblivious to this as he pressed forward with his plans, taking everyone at face value. By November Brother Walfrid was ready along with his supporters from St Mary’s Parish, and they revealed that a new football club would be formed. While most wanted the new club to be named Glasgow Hibernian, Brother Walfrid opposed this on the grounds that it would cause confusion. He got his way, and Glasgow Celtic was born. The real men behind this move however proved to be the businessmen, a builder from Donegal named John Glass and Pat Welsh, a tailor who had left Ireland under furtive circumstances 20 years previously. These men had seen the earning potential of a professional football club, and their subsequent methods of achieving their aims was to prove catastrophic for Hibernian Football Club. Hibernian travelled to Glasgow to fulfil a promise Canon Hannan had made to Brother Walfrid, Hibernian would formally open Celtic Park with a game against Cowlairs. The match ended in a 0-0 draw but was a highly entertaining one for all that, the new Glasgow club benefiting greatly from gate, On 28th May Celtic played their own first game against Rangers and Celtic won the game 5-2.
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Post by tollcross on Mar 30, 2011 18:18:06 GMT 1
Celtic 5 v Rangers (Swifts) 2 Celtic Park 28th May 1888Celtic: Michael Dolan, Eddie Pearson, J. McLaughlin, Willie Maley, James Kelly, Phil Murray, Neil McCallum, Tom Maley, John Madden, Michael Dunbar, Charlie Gorevin Celtic Scorers: McCallum (x2) James Kelly Tom Maley (x2) Rangers: J Nicol, McIntyre, McPherson, Muir, McFarlane, Meikle, Soutar, McKenzie, McLaren, Robb, Wilson. Goals:- Soutar(x2). Glasgow Observer ReportThe Rangers kicked off against the wind and at once made an incursion into Celtic territory. With some difficulty Dolan and the backs cleared their charge and play was transferred to the other end. A mistake by Meikle gave the Celts a corner kick. Dunbar placed the ball in front of goal and McCallum was enabled to head the first point of the game. The Rangers, after a pass by Suter, equalised after ten minutes play. Nicol was saving in grand style and , but for his clever goalkeeping, the Celts must have increased their score on several occasions. A foul against the light blues further enhanced the prospects of the home team. The ball was kept in dangerous proximity to Nichol's charge and to avert what proved to be only a temporary and insufficient relief, the Rangers were forced to concede a corner kick. Like the former, and placed by the same player, Kelly, who was playing a judicious game, headed the second goal a few minutes before half time. The Rangers opened the second half with great vigour. The home defence, however, was not to be overcome. By short passing and keeping the ball low, the Celts carried it to the other end where Tom Maley was enabled to score another goal. In retaliation the Ibrox forwards were soon in front of their adversaries' upright and a second goal was registered by Suter. Ultimately, Maley put in a fourth goal for the ground team. Through the instrumentality of McCallum the same player shortly afterwards notched a fifth point. A sixth point was put through but was disallowed owing to an infringement of the offside rule. The whistle sounded with the ball hovering in front of Dolan.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 1, 2011 5:13:41 GMT 1
Celtic v Rangers XI, Friendly Game.The first official Celtic game, played at the old Celtic Park Strictly, Celtic's first ever game. The opponents were really a Rangers X1 composed from their reserve side (who called themselves the Swifts), likely as they didn't want to lose to a new outfit (just in case). The game was advertised as being against "a side of Rangers". Celtic wore white shirts with a green collar and a red and green Celtic cross on the breast. Given to the club by Penman Brothers Bridgeton Cross. Neil McCallum had the honour of scoring the first Celtic goal, a feat of which he and all others attending on that day likely will never fully have known the importance of it for the whole of Scottish footballing history and to the many fans to come. One goal was chopped off for being offside, Due to that the team was formed within the Irish circles in Scotland, the players were all picked from respective clubs with Irish social links, and so naturally the team was thus composed of players who were Catholic. This was due to circumstances alone and there is no record of any policies to say otherwise. Non-Catholics played for the side very soon enough, and no policy was ever put in place to stop any being allowed to play for the club at any point in our history, a standard by which has been a hallmark of Celtic FC where "a man is judged by his football alone!" "It would appear as if the newly formed Glasgow club, the Celtic F.C., has a bright future before it. At any rate, if the committee can place the same eleven on the field as opposed the Rangers last Monday evening or an equally strong one, the Celtic will not lack for patronage or support." (The Scottish Umpire (magazine) 5 June 1888)
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Post by Waverley on Apr 1, 2011 8:53:12 GMT 1
Aye right Jamie now you are pushing the 'Celtic' spin on things...they were founded by Catholics for Catholics and I am sure that Hibernian fans have a totally different view of the Celtic's origins. As for a non-sectarian policy that was never Brother Walfrid's original aims, strange that he was to leave the club within a matter of years. There is definitely some evidence of a rift between Brother Walfrid and some of the Director's who were all shrewd business men...was the rift over whether or not to sign non-Catholics. We have evidence - me and Tam - to indicate that the links with St.Mary's Chapel aren't as strong as originally thought, in fact, the club had more everyday links with a barber's shop in Abercrombie Street than they had with the Chapel. Anyway Jamie my research re Brother Walfrid is more to do with his links with the MacDonnell's of Glengarry who migrated to Dalmarnock and worked in the mills of the area. Walfrid worked with them when he was seconded to Sacred Heart a couple of years before he formed Celtic in order to keep young Catholic men in their own social circle and not to be influenced by those big bad Proddies. Neil MacCallum had played for Rangers several years before Celtic were founded as did several other RC's...in the words of the song 'We Didn't Start The Fire'. We need to meet up soon and write the definitive history of Celtic FC...warts and all. ;D
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Post by tollcross on Apr 1, 2011 18:36:06 GMT 1
No problem Charlie in the words of another song "Rip it up and start again" and as i said to Charlie Craig in the CID room in Tobago St all them years ago "show me your evidence", No one i know is trying to sweep away the fact that Neil McCallum played for Rangers before Celtic, hes a big part of Celtics history because he scored their first ever goal, As for the Hibees we all know John Glass and Pat Taylor did the dirty on them but as far as im aware Brother Walfrid was blameless, i also have to add if they shrewd Glasgow business men had not done what they did i might not have been sitting here typing this and we all might have never ever seen a Celtic v Rangers game, as for the Brother Walfrid slant i dont think i should comment on that until i see what evidence you and Tam have uncovered.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 5, 2011 20:30:29 GMT 1
A Sketch of the first Celtic Park, from the Scottish Sport edition on 2nd October 1891
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Post by tollcross on Apr 5, 2011 20:57:11 GMT 1
Going by the 1891 sketch of CP1 the park ran North to South as i first thought. According to my research to the north east of the old Celtic Park there was a house called Ivy Cottage which appears to have sat on the NE corner of CP1 (see smaller sketch above) The map below which is much earlier than the sketch above shows a place named Whinney Park Place north of Ivy Cottage, does anyone know anything about WPP or IC?
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Post by Waverley on Apr 6, 2011 8:15:15 GMT 1
A Sketch of the first Celtic Park, from the Scottish Sport edition on 2nd October 1891 Interesting Tollcross. I thought the original pavilion was built in the north west corner of the ground it certainly seems that way in most early photos that I have saw of the early games played there. Strange how they list Janefield Street as the road to Clyde Iron Works and Newlands Drive is obviously in reference to Lord Newlands who sold the original quarry come midden - as it had become - to the club.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 6, 2011 13:44:43 GMT 1
Would rather concentrate on this sketch of the 1st Celtic Park Charlie as thats were my interest lies at the moment, in the right hand corner (bit cut out) stood a place called Ivy Cottage, as you can see CP1 had to be built around the cottage, have you any knowledge of Ivy Cottage? i see a old postcard pic of yours shows Newlands Schoool, to the left of the school is is a small cottage, could this be Ivy Cottage or is this further up Springfield Road?
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Post by tollcross on Apr 6, 2011 22:37:00 GMT 1
maps.nls.uk/townplans/view/?sid=74417096&mid=glasgow_2_southeastThe link above will take you to a movable map circa 1893 (the year after Celtic moved out) note CP1 is just a blank space, it shows the bowling green that you mentioned Charlie, it would be good if we knew the history of the land South of the bowling green, according to the map Ivy Cottage is too far down Springfield Rd to be that cottage in your Newlands School postcard, Newlands School was built in 1895 by Andrew Balfour but would you know if Lord Newlands owned the land, reason i ask Charlie is he might have owned all the land which includes CP1, would also be interesting to know why there was a boundary wall to the west of Ivy Cottage and what was behind it, its been worked out that the 6 acres of land Celtic rented fits in tightly between Janefield St and that boundary wall, as you will see from the map Ivy Cottage took up a small corner of that 6 acres.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 7, 2011 16:26:40 GMT 1
Jamie according to Tam Ivy Cottage was right across from Dechmont Street so the wee one in the postcard isn't it.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 7, 2011 16:33:04 GMT 1
If you read the early history they decided to leave the original ground because the landlord upped the rent on the ground and they moved to CP2 which was an old quarry come local coup which was owned by Lord Newlands so I cannot see them being in dispute with him and then buying or renting other ground from him.
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