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Post by Waverley on Apr 7, 2011 19:28:34 GMT 1
Jamie...Tam found this wee bit about Dalmarnock Street in a GES dated 1925.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 7, 2011 22:20:07 GMT 1
Great Charlie and thank Tam for that, had never heard of McDougall Street until i went up the mitch today, found out its Malcolm St and named after Thomas McDougall who had a Timber Merchants yard, just had a glance but looks like the better type cottages mentioned is the Ivy Cottages i wanted info on, will go over it the morra Charlie when i have more time, Cheers ;D
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Post by tollcross on Apr 8, 2011 16:07:28 GMT 1
Just been told that not only is this photo the very 1st pic of Celtic Park but also the 1st pic of a Scotland v England International game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 0:07:49 GMT 1
Taken around the early 1990s
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 0:17:22 GMT 1
Celtic Park in 1950, looks better then, than it does now ha ha Amazingly you can see the back courts of old Delburn st. Seriously though, its quite a transformation from todays CP, in this photo there is no covering at all on the east and west terracing.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 10, 2011 14:09:03 GMT 1
Jamie this is taken from the Old Ordnance Survey Maps of Parkhead in 1897.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 11, 2011 0:33:14 GMT 1
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Post by tollcross on Apr 13, 2011 15:55:31 GMT 1
There was a "Western Park, High Belvidere, Parkhead (adjoining the Eastern Cemetery)" in 1859. does anybody know if this was parkhead or barrowfield end of janefield? goo.gl/1yywn
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Post by tammccann on Apr 13, 2011 18:04:21 GMT 1
Jamie me and Charlie came across High Belvidere before but it was at the bottom of Helenvale st near Tollx rd
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Post by tollcross on Apr 13, 2011 18:18:34 GMT 1
Excellent Tam that saves me a bit o work The 1881 census shows what was North & East of CP1 Enumeration District 48 (Barony, Lanark, Scotland) Brown Lane Dalmarnock St Elba Lane Gt Eastern Rd Elba Lane Whinning Park Place Great Eastern Rd Stewarts Lane Source
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Post by tollcross on Apr 13, 2011 18:36:36 GMT 1
Tam, it appears that High Belvidere is where Helenvale park was, is that correct? also when does that map date from? just wondering why the 1856 Herald advert says (adjoining the eastern cemetery) goo.gl/1yywn
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Post by Waverley on Apr 13, 2011 19:07:56 GMT 1
This is becoming really interesting lads...I would imagine that the western park would be the Camlachie end of the cemetery but if it is the eastern end of the cemetery then if there is a western park surely there must be an eastern park. So where is the original park...was it Whinney Park which would mean that the head of the Park would be to the north hence the name Parkhead. Just maybe we have discovered how Parkhead got its name as I was never convinced that it was from Tollcross Park as some have implied. I was always under the impression that the name Parkhead had something to do with the original Belvidere and West=thorn estates. Keep digging lads we may be on to something here...
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Post by tammccann on Apr 13, 2011 21:29:00 GMT 1
The Maps from 1892 and it is where Helenvale park was,
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Post by tollcross on Apr 14, 2011 18:38:10 GMT 1
Up the mitch today and found this, just as i thought Mr Anderson the Supervisor of Janefield Cemetery must have lived or owned Ivy Cottage, as you can see the date is July 1891, Chemical work for sale contact Mr Anderson in the classified ads, it means he lived in Ivy Cottage when Celtic was playing near enough in his back yard, why did the sellers give his name/address, where was this chemical work? wonder if Mr Anderson left his memoirs as he seemed to be a big part of the community. Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, July 31, 1891; Issue 182.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 14, 2011 19:55:14 GMT 1
This is becoming really interesting lads...I would imagine that the western park would be the Camlachie end of the cemetery but if it is the eastern end of the cemetery then if there is a western park surely there must be an eastern park. So where is the original park...was it Whinney Park which would mean that the head of the Park would be to the north hence the name Parkhead. Just maybe we have discovered how Parkhead got its name as I was never convinced that it was from Tollcross Park as some have implied. I was always under the impression that the name Parkhead had something to do with the original Belvidere and West=thorn estates. Keep digging lads we may be on to something here... Charlie as you can see from my last post, the side of the road where Ivy Cottage was situated on Springfield Rd (Dalmarnock St) was called the West End, i dont think its to much to ask for the park behind Ivy Cottage (CP1) to be called Western Park.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 15, 2011 18:15:30 GMT 1
Wondering if it was the same Chemical Work that Mr Willox started? For some years Mr. Willox continued to work at the Parkhead Ironworks, and shortly after his marriage was asked to take the post of foreman, which he, after some consideration, accepted. For about six years he remained foreman at the works, Mr. Beardmore, the head of the firm, having the utmost confidence in him. During these years many changes took place, not only in the works but in the process of iron manufacture, in all of which Mr. Willox took his share. On the death of Mr. Beardmore, the new management dispensed with his services. He then, i n company with two others, started a small chemical factory, but the partnership did not prove a success. Mr. Willox was unfortunate in his partners and employees, who proved neither honest nor sober. source = www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/eleanor-duckworth/poems-and-sketches-ala/1-poems-and-sketches-ala.shtml
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Post by tollcross on Apr 15, 2011 19:56:46 GMT 1
Classified ad 1843 for Whinny Park (without the E) we do know that much later there was a Whinney Park Place north of CP1. Is it possible that this park became CP1 in 1888?
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Post by tollcross on Apr 18, 2011 16:38:18 GMT 1
Tappin into your War Knowledge Charlie, Needing help with this pic Its Celtic Park probably about 1900ish, some kind of military on the park which appears to be Bengal Lancers or possibly Boer War, any ideas?
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Post by tollcross on Apr 19, 2011 18:12:27 GMT 1
When i first seen the pic i did a bit o research and thought i had come up with the answer. But the shed thats in the pic was burned down 1904-5 which ruled that out. Just thought with the military connection you would come up with something Charlie, its no important just that i was being curious
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Post by tollcross on Apr 25, 2011 11:50:45 GMT 1
Based on the information gathered this is roughly were CP1 was situated, this is a full size pitch taken from google map measurements, right hand NE corner shows Ivy Cottage. Mr Robertson the supervisor of Janey lived here, just wondering if he ever wrote his memoirs. Thanks to Steve for doing this image.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 25, 2011 17:17:27 GMT 1
Given that their original address was given as Dalamarnock Street what makes you think that the original ground didn't run paralell with Janefield Street Jamie rather than the way it is shown on the map above. Remember mot early stands come pavillions in Victoria grounds tended to be built in a corner rather than in the centre of the grounds. Just a though...and by the way the Clanny is on the corner of Whitby Street and not where it is shown above.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 25, 2011 23:41:20 GMT 1
Did think of that Charlie Celtic Historians say in their books the pitch went S to N, as i have started with a blank canvas im taking their word with a pinch o salt, a while back i got someone to place a full size park the way you mention and it did not fit, eyewitnesses from the day say you could sit on the gravy wa and watch the match for free, Willie Maley said there was a practice pitch in the shadow of the stand, this is a artists impression of how it would look based on what Willie Maley wrote in 1915. Having read every match report played at CP1 you do have a point Charlie, many of the reports say Celtic played against the wind, the goalkeeper had the sun in his eyes for example "The visitors were under the disadvantage of playing the first half with a strong sun in their faces." also in the very 1st Celtic game "The Rangers kicked off against the wind", game against Renton reads "a trusty easterly wind blew from end to end of the field." not a meterologist but normally the wind blows west to east and the The sun rises in the east and sets in the west. will have to try and stick to my blank canvas so you could be right Charlie and the pitch could easily have run E to W even if the sizes dont match.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 26, 2011 11:34:36 GMT 1
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Post by tollcross on Apr 29, 2011 8:13:47 GMT 1
Within a week of being constituted, Celtic had leased an area of ground off the Gallowgate in Parkhead, bounded on the west side by Janefield Street and on the east by Dalmarnock Street (now Springfield Road). Within six months, a voluntary workforce had built a ground that emulated the highest standards of the time.
There was a level, grassy playing field measuring 110 yards long and 66 yards wide, a basic earthen terracing around three sides of the stadium and an open-air stand (capable of accommodating 1,000 spectators) that contained a pavilion, a referee's room, an office, dressing rooms and washing and toilet facilities.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 2:29:10 GMT 1
Expanding on the pavilion debate I found a few pics showing more detail. If I am understanding this correctly, the pavilion was situated at janefield st with the graveyard behind it and to the left of the old jungle ( excuse the modern descriptive) if viewing from the playing field, correct. Here is a close up pic. Paul this one has a cycling event going on with the pavilion in the background.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 2:53:25 GMT 1
This is good panorama pic of Celtic park, mid 1890s. It shows the pavilion to the left, although I don't think this pic is from the Scotland- England game of April 7th 1894 (2-2 game), because the double tier grandstand (to the right) was not opened until 1898, therefore making this pic 2-3 years later from that game. With the addition of the grandstand and terracing, the increased capacity went from 40,000 to 63,000. Paul.
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Post by tollcross on May 8, 2011 18:28:36 GMT 1
1900 Scotland v England Paul that match was known as the "Rosebery International" which saw a crowd of 65,000, the stands were decked out in Lord Roseberys jockey colours, (pinkish) Celtic put temporary benches all over the ground and even onto the cycling track.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 18:57:23 GMT 1
Thanks for the sharing the info about the Scotland England game Tollcross, It seems you know your Celtic and Celtic park history. I have been wondering about this photo in front of the Celtic Park pavillion, any idea what team and what timeline this belongs to ? Paul.,
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Post by tollcross on May 8, 2011 20:08:47 GMT 1
No probs Paul Date is 1901
Willie Maley sitting with the British Empire Exhibition Cup in front of him
Sandy McMahon the guy with the beard behind Maley looks photoshopped but it aint, if you want the other players names let me know.
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Post by Waverley on May 8, 2011 23:47:55 GMT 1
Need to watch what photos you post Paul, the one of the cycling track is from the Mitchells collection just thought i would say as Charlie is kinda firm on pics fae the mitch Yes Jamie you are right but hopefully we are on the verge of getting a few things sorted out with the Mitchell. They now know that we are a web-site that has applied for charitable status and we do not operate for commercial gain. However, until it has been officially appproved I would ask if you feel the need to post photograph from teh Mitchell Collection then please , please acknowledge it by putting on their name as a reference. However, please do not think for one moment that I am advocating that everybody and anybody on here can just post hundreds of photos from the Michell Collection in order to boost their posts tally...as i will simply delete the photos and your membership.
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