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Post by Waverley on Jan 22, 2007 22:38:23 GMT 1
Founded on the 6th of November 1887 at a meeting held in an adjacent building to St.Mary's RC Chapel in Abercromby Street. The following circular was issued in January, 1888, asking for financial assistance, which came along, but not in the amount that was desired. A large number of subscriptions were later acknowledged, among these being one from Mr.R.F.Barr of the firm now known as A.G.Barr & Co., Ltd., the well known aerated water manufacturers. CELTIC FOOTBALL AND ATHLETIC CLUB Celtic Park, Parkhead (Corner of Dalmarnock and Janefield Street) Patrons His Grace the Archbishop of Glasgow and the Clergy of St.Mary's, Sacred Heart, and St.Michael's Missions, and the principal Catholic laymen of the Eat End. The above club was formed in November, 1887, by a number of Catholics of the East End of the City. The main object of the Club is to supply the East End conferences of the St.Vincent De Paul Society with funds for the maintenance of the "Dinner Tables" of our needy children in the Missions of St.Mary's, Sacred Heart, and St.Michael's. Many cases of sheer poverty are left unaided through the lack of means. It is therefore with this principal object that we have set afloat the "Celtic', and we invite you as one of our ever-ready friends to assist in putting our new Park in proper working order for the coming football season. We have already several of the leading Catholic football players of the West of Scotland on our membership list. They have most thoughtfully offered to assist in the good work. We are fully aware that the "elite" of football players belong to this City and suburbs, and we know that from there we can select a team which will be able to do credit to the Catholics of the West of Scotland as the Hibernians have been doing in the East. Again there is also the desire to have a large recreation ground where our Catholic young men will be able to enjoy the various sports which will build them up physically, and we feel sure we will have many supporters with us in this laudable object. Any subscriptions may be handed to any of the Clergy of the three Missions or to the President, Mr.John Glass, 60 Marlborough Street , Glasgow, Dr. John Conway, 14 Abercromby Street, Glasgow, or to J.O'Hara, 77 East Rose Street, Glasgow, or to any any member of the the Committee, and same will be gratefully acknowledged in course. Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Old Dalmarnock Road. It was here that a young Brother Walfrid was seconded to and worked amongst the Gaelic speaking migrants from the MacDonnell of Glengarry estates in Inverness-shire.
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Post by Waverley on Jul 25, 2007 16:26:12 GMT 1
The first floodlight game ever to played at Celtic Park was against Wolves on 12th of October 1959 . The Englishmen were the victors by two goals to nil. The floodlights were 208 feet above the playing surface and were believed to be the tallest in the world at the time. I once climbed up them in a daft bet with my big mate Joe McClory.
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Post by Waverley on Aug 4, 2007 20:05:38 GMT 1
Back Row. Left to Right. Jos, Anderson , Dan Malloy , John Glass, Jas. Quillan , Wm McKillop. Middle Row. Left to Right. Wm.Maley, John Kelly, M.Dunbar , P.Gallacher , Wm.Groves. Front Row Left to Right. John Coleman , Jas.McLaren , Jas. Kelly , Neil McCallum , M.McKeown. P.Dowling Phil Clark.
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Post by Waverley on Sept 22, 2009 13:19:06 GMT 1
11 Aug 2009
The Origins of Hibernian
Birth of Celtic Football Club
Brother Walfrid was doing a great deal of good work in Glasgow's East End, through his Poor Children's Dinner Table charity. He had called upon the good grace of his friends in Edinburgh many times, and did so again in 1887, asking Canon Hannan if Hibernian might play in a charity match against Renton in Glasgow. Canon Hannan of course immediately agreed, and the game took place on Clyde's Barrowlfield ground. An astonishing 12,000 people turned out to watch the Scottish Cup holders draw 1-1. The money raised from this one game was beyond the dreams of anything Brother Walfrid had managed to raise in the past, and it is believed that this was the moment when he made up his mind that Glasgow should have their very own version of Hibernian Football Club.
The Irish Catholic community in Glasgow at this time numbered around 250,000, and Brother Walfrid knew that if Canon Hannan could raise so much from the Little Ireland community of Edinburgh that was a mere tenth of that number, then surely a similar side in Glasgow could do much more. It should not be thought that he in any way wished to harm Hibernian, far from it, he appreciated very much the help that he had received from Canon Hannan and the St Patrick's CYMS. His reasoning was that he could not continue to expect Hibernian to help his community when they had so much work to do in their own. He endeavoured then to copy the lead of Canon Hannan, knowing that the Edinburgh priest would do all he could to aid him in his task.
Over the coming months several meetings were arranged in Glasgow to drum up support for the idea of a new 'Hibernian' in Glasgow. Some Irish Catholic leaders however could see some of the danger signs, as it was becoming apparent in these meetings that some of the men coming to the fore where business-minded with hints that personal gain rather than charitable aims were uppermost in their thoughts. Brother Walfrid however appeared oblivious to this as he pressed forward with his plans, taking everyone at face value. By November Brother Walfrid was ready along with his supporters from St Mary's Parish, and they revealed that a new football club would be formed. While most wanted the new club to be named Glasgow Hibernian, Brother Walfrid opposed this on the grounds that it would cause confusion. He got his way, and Glasgow Celtic was born. The real men behind this move however proved to be the businessmen, a builder from Donegal named John Glass and Pat Welsh, a tailor who had left Ireland under furtive circumstances 20 years previously. These men had seen the earning potential of a professional football club, and their subsequent methods of achieving their aims was to prove catastrophic for Hibernian Football Club.
Misguided Delight
Hibernian though were delighted on hearing the news of the formation of Celtic Football Club, and typical of Hibs they made an immediate donation towards the expenses of forming the new club, letting it be known at the same time that anything they could do to help would be done. Hibernian continued blissfully unaware that the founding of Celtic might cause them even the slightest problem, after all did every Irish Catholic not see football as they did, as a means of doing some good for their communities? More important at this time for Hibernian was their first ever tour of Ireland; at last the men of Little Ireland were to visit the homeland of the fathers.
Michael Whelahan was joined by a large party of officials and players for the trip, including John and Philip Farmer who would play a major part in the future of the club. Hibs first game came on Monday 2nd April 1888 against Belfast Distillery, with Hibernian running out winners by three goals to one before a very large crowd. Twenty four hours later and Hibs defeated a United Belfast side 4-1, Hibernian this time earning a standing ovation from appreciative Irish fans.
One month later, Hibernian travelled to Glasgow to fulfil a promise Canon Hannan had made to Brother Walfrid, Hibernian would formally open Celtic Park with a game against Cowlairs. The match ended in a 0-0 draw but was a highly entertaining one for all that, the new Glasgow club benefiting greatly from gate receipts with Hibernian paying their own expenses. On 28th May, Celtic played their own first game, against Rangers, but as they still did not have a full team they leaned heavily on their friends from Edinburgh and seven of the players in their side that day had connections with Hibs - Celtic won the game 5-2.
On Borrowed Time
In the following weeks Celtic played several games and each time used players borrowed from Hibernian. There were rumours doing the rounds of course about the intentions of the new Glasgow club, but these were dismissed by the Hibernian committee who simply would not believe that their close friends would mean them any harm. It's a great pity that the Hibs men were so trusting, as John Glass and his partners were already making their own plans and these included financial inducements being offered to the best players in the Hibernian side that they might join Glasgow Celtic for the following season.
By August 1888, the Hibernian committee men had learned that the rumours where in fact true, and the cream of the best football side in Scotland would not be turning out for Hibernian, but rather had defected to Celtic and the riches being promised. Just as shocked as the Hibernian men were most of the Celtic committee as well, who had not been aware what John Glass and his supporters were doing. Even if Hibs had wished to take Celtic on like for like, they could not do so, the very being of Hibernian was that every penny earned went to charitable causes, Celtic had undertaking no such principles.
John Glass had recognised the massive financial rewards that would ensue from professional football. The game had gone professional in England sometime before, and Scotland was about to follow, all the same the way he set about using the loyalties of the Irish immigrant population left a sour taste in many a mouth. Celtic were seeking to have the best of both worlds, they would sign any players they wished while still retaining an appeal to the Irish community. Business had, not for the first time, trampled over idealism, money had spoken and it was not the first time in the history of Hibernian Football Club that they would suffer for their own ideals.
This concludes 'The Origins of Hibernian'. Look out for more articles following the history of Hibernian football club to be published on this site soon. For a detailed history of Hibernian, you can purchase the three volumes 'The Making of Hibernian' by Alan Lugton, available via the Club store.
An interesting version of the birth of Celtic from an Edinburgh angle and slightly different from the version that some Celtic historians have been trying to put a cross in recent years. it seems Brother Walfrid was totally disillusioned by the antics and greed of some of the first board members.
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Post by antsplan on Sept 22, 2009 22:38:11 GMT 1
The first Celtic Season ticket: Thanks for posting this item Anthony as this is the sort of thing that we wish to get posted on the Old Firm Boards...anything which is of historic interest which can lead to debate is always welcome. - Waverley
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Post by Waverley on Oct 26, 2010 13:53:10 GMT 1
Ok guys I made the mistake of allowing this post in this topic in the first place as I am working on a site dealing with the history of Celtic and their east end origins. The last thing I want is the history to be blighted with slagging calls by rivals fans...I am all for a bit of banter and a bit of craic but not on this page. There are boards on here where we can discuss homophobia , King Billy and what makes big boys cry so please stick to them and not on here where we are trying to build a sensible and neutral page re the history of Celtic Football Club. I have deleted all posts re Sunday's gemme on here so if you want to rumble then start it on another page thank you.
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Post by jawbox on Feb 20, 2011 17:34:30 GMT 1
gubbed we wur, gubbed the best team won, we were lethargic to say the least.
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Post by patrick on Mar 2, 2011 20:38:50 GMT 1
The last time Rangers beat Celtic at Parkhead in the Scottish Cup, was 103 years ago, lets hope that record stays intact to-nite.
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Post by Waverley on Mar 3, 2011 5:39:50 GMT 1
Having just watched the highlights it will be another 103 years before they will beat them. Especially if they have a referee like Murray what an out and out tadger with those bookings which resulted in three Bears being sent off and if Rangers have any sense they should appeal everyone of them. It was only a matter of time before Lennon gets leathered again in a Glesga Street...mark my words this guy is courting disaster with his attitude.
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Post by robertcockburn1 on Mar 3, 2011 15:32:32 GMT 1
very poor show by rangers, i dont think they had one clear shot at goal, so disappointed, but never liked the look of the team from the start, only a few good players stood out in the rangers side...........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 16:18:50 GMT 1
Take off your blue specs Charlie - did you watch the game???
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Post by Waverley on Mar 3, 2011 17:15:27 GMT 1
Take off your blue specs Charlie - did you watch the game??? You should try wearing specs and read what I wrote I watched the highlights and was referring to the three bookings by the referee which were never bookings. Whittaker first tackle was never a booking , neither was Big Boogies second , plus the Lurgan Bigot approached EHD whilst he was getting instructions from the Rangers Management team in their technical area and when he reacts gets booked whilst the ' usual vicTim ' walks away Scot-free. If the reports are true it seems that the Lurgan Bigot used the 'N' word in response to EHD but whether the Ibrox board are game enough to make an official complaint re this statement remains to be seen. Whatever he said certainly created a reaction from his own club physio and John Clark plus the rest of his coaching staff who immediately tried to silence him.
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Post by lindyloo22 on Mar 3, 2011 17:32:02 GMT 1
If that is true aboot the N word than he should be jailed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 21:43:22 GMT 1
Take off your blue specs Charlie - did you watch the game??? You should try wearing specs and read what I wrote I watched the highlights and was referring to the three bookings by the referee which were never bookings. Whittaker first tackle was never a booking , neither was Big Boogies second , plus the Lurgan Bigot approached EHD whilst he was getting instructions from the Rangers Management team in their technical area and when he reacts gets booked whilst the ' usual vicTim ' walks away Scot-free. If the reports are true it seems that the Lurgan Bigot used the 'N' word in response to EHD but whether the Ibrox board are game enough to make an official complaint re this statement remains to be seen. Whatever he said certainly created a reaction from his own club physio and John Clark plus the rest of his coaching staff who immediately tried to silence him. Charlie whether Neil Lennon is in the right or in the wrong, you will ALWAYS have him in the wrong and i don't think you should be spreading ill founded rumours about what he said or didnt say without absolute proof of this :-(
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Post by Waverley on Mar 3, 2011 22:05:12 GMT 1
You should try wearing specs and read what I wrote I watched the highlights and was referring to the three bookings by the referee which were never bookings. Whittaker first tackle was never a booking , neither was Big Boogies second , plus the Lurgan Bigot approached EHD whilst he was getting instructions from the Rangers Management team in their technical area and when he reacts gets booked whilst the ' usual vicTim ' walks away Scot-free. If the reports are true it seems that the Lurgan Bigot used the 'N' word in response to EHD but whether the Ibrox board are game enough to make an official complaint re this statement remains to be seen. Whatever he said certainly created a reaction from his own club physio and John Clark plus the rest of his coaching staff who immediately tried to silence him. Charlie whether Neil Lennon is in the right or in the wrong, you will ALWAYS have him in the wrong and i don't think you should be spreading ill founded rumours about what he said or didnt say without absolute proof of this :-( I am sure the same people - BBC Scotland I believe - who hunted down a speech interpreter to find out what Big Amo said to an opponent in a European tie a few years ago will do like wise with BLT - though I won't hold my breath waiting on the results being made public.
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Post by Waverley on Mar 3, 2011 22:07:02 GMT 1
Well it seems the Rangers fans have already managed to find out what McCoist said ' Haw Bigot face did you get they bullets that I sent you'... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 0:08:06 GMT 1
Charlie whether Neil Lennon is in the right or in the wrong, you will ALWAYS have him in the wrong and i don't think you should be spreading ill founded rumours about what he said or didnt say without absolute proof of this :-( I am sure the same people - BBC Scotland I believe - who hunted down a speech interpreter to find out what Big Amo said to an opponent in a European tie a few years ago will do like wise with BLT - though I won't hold my breath waiting on the results being made public. Tsk tsk Charlie - paranoid or what
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Post by Waverley on Mar 4, 2011 10:41:20 GMT 1
I am sure the same people - BBC Scotland I believe - who hunted down a speech interpreter to find out what Big Amo said to an opponent in a European tie a few years ago will do like wise with BLT - though I won't hold my breath waiting on the results being made public. Tsk tsk Charlie - paranoid or what There are only one 'side' of the Old Firm support who are Paranoid Cath as well you know... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 18:18:22 GMT 1
My Mothers name is Catherine but I have shortened it to Mum ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Waverley on Mar 6, 2011 17:08:57 GMT 1
You should try wearing specs and read what I wrote I watched the highlights and was referring to the three bookings by the referee which were never bookings. Whittaker first tackle was never a booking , neither was Big Boogies second , plus the Lurgan Bigot approached EHD whilst he was getting instructions from the Rangers Management team in their technical area and when he reacts gets booked whilst the ' usual vicTim ' walks away Scot-free. If the reports are true it seems that the Lurgan Bigot used the 'N' word in response to EHD but whether the Ibrox board are game enough to make an official complaint re this statement remains to be seen. Whatever he said certainly created a reaction from his own club physio and John Clark plus the rest of his coaching staff who immediately tried to silence him. Charlie whether Neil Lennon is in the right or in the wrong, you will ALWAYS have him in the wrong and i don't think you should be spreading ill founded rumours about what he said or didnt say without absolute proof of this :-( I knew it would come out eventually and having seen the video it is clearly obvious he wasn't saying how nice Diouff's haircut was... Police probe Neil Lennon 'race remarks' allegations Mr Lennon's lawyer said that the allegations were malicious Police are investigating allegations that racist remarks were made by Celtic manager Neil Lennon during Wednesday's controversial Old Firm game. Mr Lennon's lawyer Paul McBride said the allegations were defamatory with no substance whatsoever. The Scottish Cup replay saw touch-line and tunnel confrontations, 34 arrests inside the stadium and three Rangers players sent off. The police investigation follows complaints from members of the public. Mr McBride said: "These allegations are defamatory and outrageous with no substance whatsoever. "This is a concerted campaign by malicious and despicable individuals to cause distress to Neil Lennon. "Celtic Football Club and Celtic fans stand by their manager in the face of these vicious and unacceptable attacks." A high level summit to discuss the Old Firm fixture, which Celtic won 1-0, is to be held next week. The summit will involve ministers, Rangers and Celtic, the police and football authorities. A spokesman for Strathclyde Police said: "We have received complaints from members of the public regarding allegations surrounding the events during the Old Firm match on Wednesday, which we are currently investigating."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 20:00:26 GMT 1
FFS Chas, get back on the drink
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Post by tollcross on Mar 28, 2011 23:39:16 GMT 1
Back Row. Left to Right. Jos, Anderson , Dan Malloy , John Glass, Jas. Quillan , Wm McKillop. Middle Row. Left to Right. Wm.Maley, John Kelly, M.Dunbar , P.Gallacher , Wm.Groves. Front Row Left to Right. John Coleman , Jas.McLaren , Jas. Kelly , Neil McCallum , M.McKeown. P.Dowling Phil Clark. Love this early pic of Celtic, can you tell me if the line-up came with the pic Charlie?
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Post by Waverley on Apr 6, 2011 22:06:07 GMT 1
Yes it did Jamie, I wrote their names down myself from the original photo.
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Post by tollcross on Apr 6, 2011 22:29:24 GMT 1
Ok Charlie, Dowling and Clark were on loan from hibs and the pavillion in the background is the Kennington Oval London, Celtic played the Corinthians in a friendly.
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Post by patrick on May 21, 2011 18:24:55 GMT 1
Motherwell 0-3 Celtic a record 35th Scottish cup win for CELTIC. Oh , whoopee doo! Are you sure you aren't the Border Collie in disguise as you are certainly beginning to act like him.
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Post by Waverley on May 21, 2011 20:18:16 GMT 1
Ok Charlie, Dowling and Clark were on loan from hibs and the pavillion in the background is the Kennington Oval London, Celtic played the Corinthians in a friendly. So can we date the photo then Jamie...
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Post by thecaltondefender on May 21, 2011 21:14:33 GMT 1
Motherwell 0-3 Celtic a record 35th Scottish cup win for CELTIC. Oh , whoopee doo! Are you sure you aren't the Border Collie in disguise as you are certainly beginning to act like him. patrick you never seem to mention defeats :- i.e.caley 3.ewes 2 RANGERS 54th league championship ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Waverley on May 21, 2011 21:29:09 GMT 1
Motherwell 0-3 Celtic a record 35th Scottish cup win for CELTIC. Oh , whoopee doo! Are you sure you aren't the Border Collie in disguise as you are certainly beginning to act like him. patrick you never seem to mention defeats :- i.e.caley 3.ewes 2 RANGERS 54th league championship ;D ;D ;D Now , now Andy there is no need for that...remember your a bluenose and a gentleman like the rest of us. BWENNY's RECORD SO FAR... 792 DAYS ONE CONSOLATION CUP NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL 17 PENALTIES AWARDED A RECORD IN A SEASON 30 PLAYERS [ NO LAUGHING ] BOUGHT IN IT'S BECAUSE THEIR SO SUCCESSFUL THAT YOUR ALL AGAINST THEM SIGN BELOW IF YOU WANT BWENNY TO GET A CONTRACT ALONG WITH HIS DREAM TEAM AS WELL.
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Post by thecaltondefender on May 21, 2011 22:19:19 GMT 1
patrick you never seem to mention defeats :- i.e.caley 3.ewes 2 RANGERS 54th league championship ;D ;D ;D Now , now Andy there is no need for that...remember your a bluenose and a gentleman like the rest of us. BWENNY's RECORD SO FAR... 792 DAYS ONE CONSOLATION CUP NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL 17 PENALTIES AWARDED A RECORD IN A SEASON 30 PLAYERS [ NO LAUGHING ] BOUGHT IN IT'S BECAUSE THEIR SO SUCCESSFUL THAT YOUR ALL AGAINST THEM SIGN BELOW IF YOU WANT BWENNY TO GET A CONTRACT ALONG WITH HIS DREAM TEAM AS WELL. Charlie pity i never showed your post to my mates who where up from London for the game they were that happy they got the choo choo rite back to the big smoke we spent a couple of hours down in bandit country you just have to listen to genuine fans who think he is an embarrassment just like the Barnes/Dalglish double act & not the plastic paddy"s who dwell on the paddygate & have their own agenda
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Post by Waverley on May 21, 2011 23:03:30 GMT 1
It may be of interest to recall what John H.McLaughlin, the Celtic Chairman, said when receiving the Scottish Cup in the 1899-99 final after defeating Rangers two nil. 'If," he said "they looked back to the history of The Rangers, there was no club in Great Britain who could boast of a record like theirs. They struggled on till they became, four years ago, certainly the premier club in Scotland, and from that time to this day they have been about the best team in the British Isles."
This was the opinion of one of the most outstanding personalities that ever adorned the S.F.A. chair. No narrow parochialism here but the voice of the football statesmen.
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