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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 10:18:06 GMT 1
Peter is there anyway you can check out a rather large house which was directly facing the coal-ree and located beteen Mauldslie Street and Davaar Street. It was demolished in the early 1960's and the backyard of the house was in the courtyard of Jimmy Freer's yard. I reckon it was about 1073 London Road and was stuck between two tenement buildings which it obviously pre-dated by many years - growing up in nearby Arrol Place it has always puzzled me who was the owner of such a fine house.
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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 11:20:36 GMT 1
I'll check my stuff when I get home from work later The foundation walls are still there Peter and I am sure at one time the building consisted of two residences...I am sure that Mr and Mrs Allan who owned the newsagents next to Mauldsle Street lived in the building at one time.
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Post by adaline on May 25, 2009 16:40:11 GMT 1
Aye Charlie I remember when the Allan's lived in this big house but I don't know before or after them, I had a conversation with Ronnie in glesga pals about the Allan's and this house maybe he would know.
Adaline
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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 16:51:49 GMT 1
Their auldest daughter lived in the house next door to it...remeber Adaline the houses that had a front door onto the street.The Shearer's lived in one and when they moved away it was bought over and used as a store by Cairns's the caterers. I am sure there was another one between Cairns's and Allan's paper shop...plus two in Mauldslie Street.
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Post by adaline on May 25, 2009 17:36:57 GMT 1
I don't remember if there was a house between the shop and the caterers but I do remember the ones in Mauldslie St auld Mrs Cairn's lived in one with her son Watty who drank with my granda in the cosy corner and the other was Mr and Mrs Marshall they moved to one of the top flats up the close then Mr Paul moved in.
My Maw (granny) bought the wee paper shop from the Allan's she only ran it for a wee while then sold it can't remember who to, this was in around 1968-69.
When we were first married Frank and I lived up the close next to Cairn's the caterer can't remember the number I think it might have been 1038, my auntie and uncle stayed up the same close Mary and Duncan Kennedy, don't know if you remember the Griffin's they stayed next door to us can't recall anyone else at the moment.
Adaline
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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 18:15:36 GMT 1
The Griffin's lived low down in the close did they not Adaline. There was Audrey , Brian and Billy who all went to London Road School with me.
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Post by adaline on May 25, 2009 18:56:05 GMT 1
They lived in the low down house in the close nearest to Mauldslie St then they moved to the one up flat in the close at the other side of Cairns's. That's right Audrey, Brian and Billy I was trying to think of their names and couldn't remember Brian.
Meant to say Charlie do you remember Wilma Allan she was the youngest daughter who had special needs as they call it today.
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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 19:10:05 GMT 1
Yes Adaline I remember Wilma well but Icannot remember their older daughter's name I will ask my Ma as she remembers all these things...did they not liv in the close nearest Davaar Street first then move nearer to Mauldslie Street...I think it was the same close as my relatives the Robertsons who lived two up,
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Post by adaline on May 25, 2009 19:32:44 GMT 1
I don't recall the name Robertson Charlie, I remember Mrs Griffin and Mrs Gray used to sit on a window ledge of a low down house near to Davaar St maybe they lived there before moving nearer to Mauldslie St.
Could it be Louise Allan the oldest daughter's name?
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Post by pwm437 on May 25, 2009 21:14:34 GMT 1
Hi Charlie, I'm using a detailed ordnance survey map from the early 1950's and my 1960 GPO Directory.
1) The map shows an unbroken run of properties from Mauldslie Street (1059 London Road) to Davaar Street (1101 London Road).
2) The 1960 Directory lists the following for the same stretch of London Road;
1059 : T. McShane 1063 : Wm Allan 1101 : A. Leslie
This would lead us to believe that the Allan family you referred to definately lived at 1063 London Road. It would also indicate that by 1960, some of the properties shown on the 1950's map had been demolished. For example, in 1960 there is no listing from the Allan's house until we reach no. 1101 at the corner of Davaar Street.
The 1966 GPO Directory shows the same three occupants as the 1960 edition, namely McShane, Allan & Leslie.
If we go further back to 1948 the listing for London Road from Mauldslie Street to Davaar Street reads;
1059 : Gospel Hall 1061 : Mrs Charlotte Ingram 1063 : Wm Allan, newsagent 1089 : Miss Helen Black, midwife 1101 : Mrs Eliz. Smith, dairy
Back to 1928 and the same stretch of London Road reads;
1059 : Gutta Percha Workers' Gospel Hall 1063 : Wm. Harwood, stationer 1069 : Thos. Gilchrist, shopkeeper 1077 : Angus Reid 1079 : Thos. J. McKail, physician & surgeon 1101 : John Smith, dairy
Fascinating little history from a short stretch of road. It is this sort of thing that intrigues me, and motivates me to write as much as I can on the streets of Glasgow.
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Post by Waverley on May 25, 2009 22:01:35 GMT 1
Peter going by what you have listed McShane was the photographers on the corner of Mauldslie Street , then there was a close , and then Allan's newsagent shop. Mrs.Leslie's was the dairy on the corner of Davaar Street. I think 1077 and 1079 are the two numbers in the building that we are researching.
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Post by adaline on May 26, 2009 11:43:09 GMT 1
Thanks for the info Peter very interesting as most of my dad's family came from this part of Bridgeton, I was born in 12 Mauldslie St the only close there.
Charlie there is a mention of Charlotte Ingram in 1061 London Rd I am wondering if this is might be Joyce Ingram's family I was in touch with Joyce through friends reunited I'll get back in touch and will ask her.
There is also a mention of a Wm Harwood stationers, there were Harwoods that lived next door to us on the one up in Mauldslie St maybe another connection.
Adaline
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Post by Waverley on May 26, 2009 16:14:20 GMT 1
I remember the name Harwood but they moved away early in the 1960's did they not Adaline. Also Peter Marshall who went to Australia who was my uncle Archie's pal. The Flynn's who lived low down in the close was another family I remember from that period.The Plunkett's who lived up Joyce's close and also her cousin George Elrick , from my side of the London Road , who moved away to Australia as well from the 'darkie close' pronounced 'daurkie' because there was no windows in it only a glass sky-light.
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Post by adaline on May 26, 2009 18:24:37 GMT 1
The Harwoods had moved to Easterhouse and I remember my da telling us that Mrs Harwood didn't like the name of her street (Dungeonhill) so one of her son's said well we'll call it cherrytree ave.
Peter Marshall was the son of Mr and Mrs Marshall who I spoke of before they lived in the side house nearest to freer's yard before moving to the top flat above my grandparents.
From the close in Mauldslie St were the Floods canny remember who else from the close 1st floor Alex Dewar, my house in the middle (McTear) Harwoods 2nd floor my grandparents (McTear) Wilson in the middle and the Cowans 3rd floor Marshall canny remember who in the middle Creamer. Mary Creamer is my cousin but before her was relatives of the Cowans that lived there. As I said before auld Mrs Cairns lived in the other side house we used to call her the old witch she would come out and feed the birds I think she liked the birds better than us weans as she was always chasing us away. I remember when Watty her son had taken ill and she sent for my Maw to come into hers to see him and I was with her they still had the old gas lights in their house and this would have been in the early 60's.
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Post by Waverley on Jun 11, 2009 10:26:04 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Jun 12, 2009 6:28:05 GMT 1
I am beginning to get obsessed with this wee pile of bricks on the London Road. So much so I am going to go up to the Mitchell to do some research on maps and voters rolls etc., I have a sneaking suspiscion that it may have something to do with the London Road Mineral Station and Depot which was the official name of the coal-hill / ree which was directly opposite the house. The coal ree was opened in eighteen hundred and something when there was little or nothing else in the immediate vicinity of that stretch of the London Road...if you look closely at the photos it clearly shows two entrances bricked-up so it was obviously two residences in one - and that is the way I remember it.
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Post by pwm437 on Jun 12, 2009 15:12:15 GMT 1
I am beginning to get obsessed with this wee pile of bricks on the London Road. So much so I am going to go up to the Mitchell to do some research on maps and voters rolls etc., I have a sneaking suspiscion that it may have something to do with the London Road Mineral Station and Depot which was the official name of the coal-hill / ree which was directly opposite the house. The coal ree was opened in eighteen hundred and something when there was little or nothing else in the immediate vicinity of that stretch of the London Road...if you look closely at the photos it clearly shows two entrances bricked-up so it was obviously two residences in one - and that is the way I remember it. I'll check the 1860, 1996 and 1912 maps when I get back Charlie, and see if we can get ye a comfy night's sleep again
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Post by Waverley on Jun 14, 2009 14:35:14 GMT 1
Peter I have been looking through my notes and have noticed that the London Road Mineral Station was opened for Goods on the 17th of August 1885...the house which was directly opposite is shown on the 1895 map of the area... I have coloured it in and it shows some sort of map sign in front of it which I dont understand.Also it looks as if the courtyard opens out into what we knew as Freer's Yard. When I worked there as a kid there was a line of small lock up type buildings which backed onto the neighbouring back courts which where very much like small stables in appearance...could these stables have some connection with the main building and maybe hold some sort of clue as to who owned the house and what it was originally used for...
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Post by Waverley on Jun 14, 2009 22:47:20 GMT 1
Adaline I have a feeling that the house may have had something to do with Lord Newlands as his original house which was just facing London Road School and was known as Newlands Croft. He later bought several estates the main one being Mauldslie Castle in the Clyde Valley at Rosebank where he built a model village including the Popinjay Hotel. The Popinjay was in the news recently as Barry Ferguson of Rangers has invested money in it along with other members of a consortium he is involved with to buy the hotel. Lord Newlands sold a Stradivarius violin for £3,800 to raise funds for the War Effort amd his wife's Convalescent Home for wounded soldiers in Lanark. He also supplied a Field Ambulance for the Scottish Branch of the Red Cross and named it Mauldslie.
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Post by adaline on Jun 15, 2009 10:54:17 GMT 1
Charlie thanks for that info, someone once said that there were small gardens in the front of this house I don't know if this is true.
I wish the older generation of my family were still here so we could ask as I think we had family living here even before my grandparents.
Adaline
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Post by pwm437 on Jun 15, 2009 21:17:37 GMT 1
Hi Charlie, ye'll huv me wi sleepless nights as well !!
Okay, I've looked at my 1860 map which is the same 'footprint' as the above, and it reveals the following;
1) The property in question (1077 to 1079 London Road) was not there in 1860, so it kinda suggests that it does not pre-date the rest of the run of tenements around it.
2) Newlands House appears on the map, and it is positioned on the south side of London Road. It was obliterated entirely to build the approaches to the railway bridge over London Road. It was set slightly back from the road and had a short driveway and a turning circle in front, probably for carriages. It had buildings to both sides (stables / servants quarters??) and gardens to the rear. Must have been quite a formidable property.
3) On the north side of London Road, just to the west of what became Frazer Street, and set sligthly back was Newfield House.
4) On the south side of London Road further to the west of what is shown on the above map, and directly opposite Newlands Parish Church was Diniston Place, a short run of properties. This would have been roughly from what became 960 to 978 London Road.
5) The only other feature worth noting is the Mountblue Pottery to the north west of the map, in what became Barrowfield housing scheme.
What a smashing wee 'whodunnit' this has turned out to be, all because of a bit of wall remaining from a bygone age.
For me it has been a great example of what local history and research has to offer.
p.s. What was the name of the pub at number 978, and next door to the doctor's surgery, and opposite Newlands Parish Church. The publican in 1960 was A. Reid.
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Post by Waverley on Jun 16, 2009 7:40:07 GMT 1
Charlie thanks for that info, someone once said that there were small gardens in the front of this house I don't know if this is true. I wish the older generation of my family were still here so we could ask as I think we had family living here even before my grandparents. Adaline Hey Adaline you have just jogged my memory. My Auntie and Uncle Margaret and Bill Peden lived in the close up from this house before they moved to East Kilbride circa 1968 and they moved to this close from 9 Arrol Place about 1962 so maybe they might remember something about who actually lived there...I haven't seen them since my Maw's 60th Birthday Party 15 years ago I hope they are still alive and kicking.
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Post by adaline on Jul 17, 2009 19:15:56 GMT 1
Mags, most of my dad's family lived in this area we were speaking of and it was a very happy neighbourhood everyone looked out for each other, although my parents moved to Easterhouse just before my 4th birthday my grandparents and my cousin and her family continued to stay there and my aunt and uncle lived round the corner, even after my grandparents moved away around 1969-70 one of my other cousin's moved into their house. This is why I remember nearly all the neighbours as I lived with my grandparents a lot, when I was 11 we moved back to London Rd.
I remember all the pubs down that way as I think my dad and his family drank in everyone of them.
Adaline
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Post by Waverley on Mar 8, 2010 22:04:10 GMT 1
I came across an article on Jimmy Freer from a 1950's Eastern Standard and it goes on about his love of horses and how he had stables. I am still convinced that the building and the stables in the yard originally had something to do with the coal-ree across the road.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 4, 2010 22:21:53 GMT 1
I am convinced it was a guy called Charles Wilson who is listed in the 1866 Post Office Directory that Tam sent me today as living at Mauldsley Terrace at 278 London Road.
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Post by adaline on Apr 20, 2010 21:26:40 GMT 1
Charlie my Maw (granny) who lived in Mauldslie St her maiden name was Wilson her brother was Charlie Wilson and I suppose there were other Charlie Wilson's in the family before him, I wonder if the Charles Wilson you speak of is any relation as they came from around this area.
Adaline
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Post by lindyloo22 on Jul 7, 2010 17:08:10 GMT 1
My friend says Jimmy Freer's yard was owned by the same man who owned the coal ree and that a few different men rented space in the coal ree.I hope this info is helpful.
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Post by Waverley on Oct 14, 2010 15:01:58 GMT 1
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Post by adaline on Oct 14, 2010 15:16:00 GMT 1
Charlie that's sad it was the only part that was left of the place I hold dear to my heart. I still have the photo though which I treasure.
Did you get any of the bricks from the wall, by any chance?
Adaline
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