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Post by Waverley on Jan 2, 2008 19:51:56 GMT 1
The mother of Charles Edward Stuart so what was the link between this Polish Princess and Camlachie...
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Post by asbo on Jan 2, 2008 23:12:18 GMT 1
Nee Clementina Walkinshaw, daughter of local gentry (Walkinshaw of Barrowfield and Camlachie). I thought she was the mistress of Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Young Pretender?
Did she get in tow with him when he visited Glasgow during the '45?
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Post by Waverley on Jan 2, 2008 23:16:04 GMT 1
It is unclear whether she met him originally in Glesga or when she was at her uncle's house near Bannockburn in 1745. I am currently working on a page which should cover all of the Walkinshaw family.
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Post by nippysweetie on Feb 24, 2008 4:41:14 GMT 1
Jist read lately that Bonny Prince Charles stayed in the Shawfield mansion between December 1745 and January 1746. The prince is said to have met Clementina there. The mansion stood where Glassford Street is now located the street was named after John Glassford who later owned the mansion.
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Post by Waverley on Feb 24, 2008 9:41:18 GMT 1
Princess Clemetina Sobieski was Bonnie Prince Charlie's maw who was rescued from imprisonment in a convent in Austria by Jacobite sympathisers including John Walkinshaw of Camlachie the father of Clementina Walkinshaw who was later to become Charlie's mistress...dae yese get ma drift noo.
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Post by pwm437 on Feb 24, 2008 12:22:05 GMT 1
She bore him a daughter, who became known as the Duchess of Albany, hence Albany Street in Bridgeton, in close proximity to Walkinshaw Street.
The footprint of 1745/6 is still with us.
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Post by nippysweetie on Feb 24, 2008 19:21:54 GMT 1
Princess Clemetina Sobieski was Bonnie Prince Charlie's maw who was rescued from imprisonment in a convent in Austria by Jacobite sympathisers including John Walkinshaw of Camlachie the father of Clementina Walkinshaw who was later to become Charlie's mistress...dae yese get ma drift noo. Sometimes yee jist huvtae spell it oot tae us ;D
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Post by Waverley on Jun 2, 2008 9:38:21 GMT 1
One of John Walkinshaw's daughters turned out to be a Government spy...who was prone to passing on the names of those sympathetic to the Jacobite Cause.
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Post by Waverley on Oct 7, 2008 20:46:13 GMT 1
Clementina was the youngest daughter of ten daughters...poor guy imagine living with all they wummen.
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Post by Waverley on Oct 7, 2008 20:48:14 GMT 1
It seems that Charlie boy was so jealous and paranoid about his mistress Clementina that he used to surround their bed with a string of bells in case someone approached the bed during the night when he was lying in a drunken stupor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2008 0:53:14 GMT 1
Here's some stuff aboot the Walkinshaws frae "Glasgow Past And Present", Charlie - ah don't know if ye've already got it, but ye can jist delete it if ye hiv.
Dr. Cleland in his Annals (p. 30) says, that about the end of the seventeenth century the ground adjoining the east side of the city, denominated the Gallowmuir, Borough Roads, or Blackfaulds, was used as a grazing common for the cattle belonging to the citizens. In 1705 Mr. John Walkinshaw of Renfrewshire purchased a great part of those lands, and began to feu out ground for a village, which he called Barrowfield, since known by the name of Bridgeton. The progress of this village was very slow, for in the year 1724 he had only feued nineteen small lots. At this period the Town, in conjunction with the Trades' House, became proprietors of the whole, and it remained in their hands till 1731, when they conveyed it to Mr. John Orr, a merchant in Glasgow, who was more successful in disposing of the ground than his predecessors. It appears, however, that the lands above mentioned had received the name of " Barrowfield " before the time of Mr. Walkinshaw's purchase, as is shown by the following extract from the Burgh Records of Council, 25 th August 1643 :
"That George Duncan of Barrowfield gave 6000 merks to be warit upon a bell to be hung in the steeple of the Blackfriar's Kirk, to be rung every morning at Five." When Rutherglen Bridge came to be built in 1775, the lands next the bridge received the appellation of "Bridgeton" in honour of the bridge. This bridge was said to have cost only £1800 sterling, of which sum there was about £1000 sterling contributed by the Burgesses of Rutherglen, and the bridge was made free of toll. . . . .
. . . . .With regard to Mr. Walkinshaw, the following notice is taken of him in Crawford's Renfrewshire, p. 9 1 :
"Gavin Walkinshaw, of that ilk, thought fit, in the year 1683, to alienate his estate of Walkinshaw to James Walkinshaw, merchant in Glasgow, second son of John Walkinshaw of Barrowfield, a cadet of his family who died in the year 1708 ; his estate devolved upon John Walkinshaw, now of Walkinshaw, his son and heir."
So far as I have seen none of our Glasgow historians have informed us of Mr. Walkinshaw's purchases of the lands known as the Eastern Common ; but the following extract will throw some light on the subject, and show that Mr. Walkinshaw purchased Barrowfield before the year 1693, and not in 1705, as Cleland states :
l0th March 1693 . . .
. . . ." John Walkinshaw of Barrowfield, heir of John Walkinshaw of Barrowfield, his Father, in the four pound land of old extent of the lands of Barrowfield, comprehending the lands called Nicalhouse, Little Park, and Broomward, with the teinds of Broomward included, and the Manor Place of Barrowfield 33 acres part of the other forty shilling land of Barrowfield, all lying within the Parish and Regality of Glasgow. in feuthe lands called Camlachie comprehending \\ acres formerly portioning to James Bredwood and William Andersone, within the territory of the said Burgh of Glasgow the back tenement with the Garden in the said Burgh on the west side of the street of Saltmarket, to be held Burgage."l0th March 1693
Mr. Walkinshaw was eldest merchant baillie of Glasgow in 1660, 1665, and 1673 ; and it is unfortunate that we have not learned from any of our historians what was the price which he paid for the above-mentioned lands. Mr. Walkinshaw belonged to the clique of the Blythswoods, Bells, Andersons, and Hamiltons, who then ruled the city at their pleasure, and who appear to have shared the greatest part of our great Eastern and Western Commons among themselves. Price paid by them unknown.
Cromwell, by letter dated 30th September 1657, ordered the election of the Magistrates of Glasgow to be indefinitely deferred ; in consequence of which, and the death of Cromwell the ensuing year (3d September 1658), followed by the troubled times of the Restoration, the said clique and their party continued to vote themselves into office, and became supreme in Glasgow till the close of that century. Hence the loss of the largest portion of our Eastern and Western Commons, then parcelled out among the leaders of the clique.
The death of Mrs. Walkinshaw is thus announced in the Glasgow Mercury of 23d November 1780 :
Edinburgh, 28th November 1780."On Saturday last (21st Nov.,) died here, aged 97, Mrs. Walkinshaw of Barrowfield."
For an interesting account of the Walkinshaw family I must refer to an article in Glasgow, Past and Present, vol. ii. p. 511, and following, by our learned antiquarian fellow-citizen J. B., who has thrown more light upon the former state of the eastern parts of our city than all the other Glasgow historians put together. See also Crawfurd's Renfrewshire, p. 90.
This is the extract referred to above from Volume II of Glasgow Past And Present
"In the days of Cromwell Wester Camlachie belonged to Mr. William Wilkie of Haghill, who was commissary-depute under Boyd of Kelburn. He sold the lands to Robert Goveane, a writer, who soon after parted with them to John Wilkie, a brother of Haghill. This John Wilkie subsequently conveyed Wester Camlachie to his nephew, William Wilkie, writer in Glasgow, a son of the proprietor first named. The property having thus been vested in three members of one family, successively passed into another better known.
On 1st July 1669 William Wilkie, the lawyer, sold Camlachie to Mr. John Walkinshaw, then one of the magistrates of Glasgow. The price was 3500 merks . . . I have examined the curious old conveyance, which purports to have been "wrytten be Robert Allane, notar in Glasgow." There are five witnesses to Mr. Wilkie's signature, viz. two of the magistrates ; George Anderson, the town-clerk ; William Stirling, a writer ; and lastly,the notarywho framed the deed. The phraseology throughout is very quaint. The deed sets out thus:—
" Be it knoune to all men be thir present lettres, me, Williame Wilkie, wrytter in Glasgow, sone lauchfull to Mr. William Wilkie, of Haghill, forsuameikle as I have perteaning and belonging to me heretabillie, all and haill theis landis, callit Cumlachie, with housses, biggings, yairds, and all pertinentis thereof, lyand within the territorie of this burgh, all contigue, on both syds of the commone lone, that passeth fra the samyne burgh, to that brig callit Cumlachie Brig, and boundit betwixt the landis of . . .on the wast, Cumlachie Burne on the east, the landis of Craigs on the north, and the landis now belonging to ... on the south pairtis, as my infeftmentis and securities of the samyne mair fulie proportis."'
The lands were then, and long after, unenclosed, but under cultivation, for two tacks of them are spoken of in the conveyance one by old Wilkie of Haghill, the other by his son, the seller, the rent in both cases being a certain number of " bollis of victual meill and beir."
Mr. Walkinshaw, who thus acquired Western Camlachie, was an offshoot from the old family of the Walkinshaws of Walkinshaw, in Renfrewshire, and had become a wealthy merchant in Glasgow. He was one of the owners of the "friggate" spoken of by M'Ure as fitted out by the merchants of Glasgow to cruise against the Dutch. Soon after purchasing Camlachie he bought the adjacent estate of Barrowfield, at one time the property of George Hutcheson, one of the founders of the Hospital.
To prevent obscurity in the narrative, it is necessary to state that there were three John Walkinshaws in succession, owners of Wester Camlachie, grandfather, father, and son, whereof the grandfather was the purchaser from Wilkie.
The first John Walkinshaw, after having been laird of Camlachie twenty years, died in 1689, and is noticed by M'Ure, with commendation, as having left ^100 to the poor of the Merchant House.
The second of the name was one of the "great sea adventurers" alluded to by the same old chronicler. Both of these Walkinshaws of Camlachie and Barrowfield were men of wealth. The third John Walkinshaw was less fortunate.
From a very early period the coal under Camlachie appears to have been worked, which probably originated the little village as dwellings for the colliers, then in the condition of slaves resident on, and sold with, the coal property, not unlike the state of the negroes on the transatlantic plantations. A number of coal-pits or "heughs" were sunk at different parts of Camlachie and Barrowfield. The working of coal in John Walkinshaw's time was very imperfectly understood, and consequently carried on at a great disadvantage. The pits on both properties were among what istechnically called "troubles" and "running mud," and large sums were spent by Mr. Walkinshaw in endeavouring to overcome these physical obstacles, without much effect.
But this was not his sole misfortune. He became deeply engaged in the disastrous political troubles of that day, when so much hostility was shown in Scotland to the Hanoverian succession.
The Walkinshaws were stanch Jacobites ; and in the case of the third John Walkinshaw, his hereditary predilection for the Stuarts was strengthened by his connection with the family into which he married. He espoused in 1703 Miss Catherine Paterson, a sister of Sir Hugh Paterson of Bannockburn, one of the keenest partisans of the exiled family. The two brothers-in-law were "out" in 1715, and both were taken prisoners at Sheriffmuir. Mr. Walkinshaw was committed to Stirling Castle on the charge of high treason, but escaped through the address of his lady, who changed clothes with him, and remained in his stead. His estates were, however, forfeited. . . . . .
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Post by Waverley on Oct 8, 2008 5:32:29 GMT 1
BillyDan thanks for your contribution to the Walkinshaw and Camlachie thread. I had read most of it but have never managed to collate it all for posting on here...an excellent post and contribution to the boards. Keep it going BillyDan it is much appreciated.
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