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Post by Waverley on Jul 7, 2007 12:11:31 GMT 1
The most popular image of King William III is that of him crossing Boyne on the first of July 1690 astride his white charger...this portrayal of the glorious and victorious King William could not be any further from the truth.
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Post by Waverley on Dec 5, 2007 18:58:22 GMT 1
Contrary to popular belief and legend he crossed the River Boyne on a black charger and not a white one as so commonly portrayed in paintings and modern day Orange Order banners.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 20:45:20 GMT 1
Black or white charger he still cross the BOYNE .
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Post by Waverley on Dec 5, 2007 21:04:25 GMT 1
A boyne is an old Scots word for a wooden washing tub where women would put their washing in and stand in the tub to tread their clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 21:40:36 GMT 1
the river BOYNE.
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Post by Waverley on Dec 5, 2007 21:49:04 GMT 1
the river BOYNE. There is a wee story to be told about the Battle of the Boyne on Glesga Green Alex I'll search for it...
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Post by pitbull on Dec 14, 2007 0:53:23 GMT 1
i,ve printed off a few things about oor king billy he didnae even like the scots he is said to of disliked the jacobites i,ll type the whole thing out about what was said another time probaly the weekend when i get more time.he refused to assist any scots colonists for fear of upsetting the spanish he played a major role in the collapse of the darien scheme. he actually died after a fall from a horse in 1702. (more to follow). watch this space
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Post by asbo on Dec 14, 2007 0:57:21 GMT 1
He certainly disliked the Jacobites - that's why he duffed them up at the Boyne! ;D
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Post by asbo on Dec 17, 2007 22:51:21 GMT 1
Charlie : this is the book about The Glorious Revolution I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Have you read it? Named : 1688 Revolution in the Family by Henri & Barbara van der Zee
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Post by Waverley on Dec 18, 2007 8:10:45 GMT 1
Asbo I have this one by the same authors which I think may be the earlier edition of your book... ...what I cannot understand is why he is sometimes classed as being gay but it clearly states in the books that I have of his life that he had several mistresses. I suspect it was a Jacobite plot to discredit him. ;D
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Post by asbo on Dec 18, 2007 22:45:52 GMT 1
I could just imagine the reaction you would get if you were to strike that pose of his on the front of your book down your local! On the flyleaf of my book it mentions your one (published 1973) so it looks like 2 different books.
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Post by pitbull on Jan 26, 2008 20:52:53 GMT 1
on 22nd jan 1689 an english convention parliament declared wm 3rd and mary 2nd to be joint monarchs whilst on 4th april same year,at a scots convention declared wm 2nd of scotland and mary 2nd to be joint monarchs of scotland. a jacobite uprising in scotland was quickly quelled.( more to follow)
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Post by Waverley on Feb 2, 2008 17:02:18 GMT 1
He certainly disliked the Jacobites - that's why he duffed them up at the Boyne! ;D You must remember that he had lots of Scots and Stuart blood running through his body as his maternal great grandfather was James VI & I , his grandfather was Charles I who were both Scots by birth...plus James II whom he defeated at the Boyne was not only his uncle but also his father in law. Nothing like keeping it in the family.
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Post by helen on Jan 24, 2009 14:44:18 GMT 1
Ah think it wiz James's truculence wi parliament that caused his downfall and the rise of William, he couldn't see eye to eye with Parliament and continued to favour Catholic appointments, which in turn caused religious differences to come to the fore, the crunch came when James formed an alliance wi France and his famous arrest of Archbishop Sancroft, for failing to proclaim Catholicism, he tampered with private property and historic rights, he had a male heir to his 2nd Wife, and abandoned Anglicanism for Catholicism. Parliament wurny best pleased coz they wanted the throne tae go tae the Protestant weans of his furst marriage. That's when Parliament asked William to come over and stop a Catholic takeover. James was given safe passage to France, but fatefully made one more attempt at getting his throne back, but he was defeated at the Battle of the Boyne and the rest, as they say, is history. William and Mary's accession tae the throne started the exclusion of Catholics from positions of power and the right to be Monarchs, and culminated in the 1701 Act of Succession which effectively banned the accession of any Catholic Monarchs. A wee interesting snippet, the bold Billy also had an acknowledged mistress for years, Elizabeth Villiers, he gave her up on the express wishes of his wife. I believe, in this day and age the Act of Succession should be repealed as it specifically targets one religion over all others, and given that we now have a secular parliament I think its about time we had a secular monarchy
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Post by asbo on Jan 25, 2009 20:57:43 GMT 1
I believe, in this day and age the Act of Succession should be repealed as it specifically targets one religion over all others, and given that we now have a secular parliament I think its about time we had a secular monarchy I can't agree, before you know it our affairs would be getting interfered in by a pope and his cardinals, or some mad mullahs.
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Post by Waverley on Jan 26, 2009 17:02:42 GMT 1
I believe, in this day and age the Act of Succession should be repealed as it specifically targets one religion over all others, and given that we now have a secular parliament I think its about time we had a secular monarchy I can't agree, before you know it our affairs would be getting interfered in by a pope and his cardinals, or some mad mullahs. I agree with you Asbo ...the British Royal Family over the centuries have had their faults especially our own home grown ones the Stuarts - what a bunch of numpties they all turned out to be especially that Mary Queen of Scots and the Charles I pair. It is bad enough that we have an Anglican Queen and Church that think that they rule by 'divine right' but who would swap Auld Lizzie Windsor and her boys for a ex-Nazi Pope and all his Jesuits who believe they are 'God's chosen representative on earth'... so how can you be be leader of God's Church in Britain and the Commonwealth and kneel in front of another and accept them as your equal let alone as God's Bishop and representative on earth. Anyway Nell it isn't so easy for the Act of Settlement to be done away with as most of our English speaking Commonwealth and Dominion countries have it written into their Constitution and it would prove rather difficult for them to write it out of the Constitution - aye it isnae so easy to unscramble eggs once they have been scrambled as they say. Besides most people who pledge Loyalty to the British Crown only pledge that Loyalty for as long as that Crown is a Protestant one. Since 1689 when William and Mary were crowned we have had a Constitutional Monarchy which has no great powers unless it is decreed by Parliament as King William III found out when he tried to do away with the Penal Laws against the Irish Catholics and the Presbyterians - the Anglicans and Parliament blocked it. Aye it is times like this I am glad I was brought up as a Presbyterian where no man is a God and all are equal and the only way for true salvation is through Jesus Christ and his father the Grand Geometrician in the sky.
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Post by helen on Jan 26, 2009 18:14:12 GMT 1
I believe, in this day and age the Act of Succession should be repealed as it specifically targets one religion over all others, and given that we now have a secular parliament I think its about time we had a secular monarchy I can't agree, before you know it our affairs would be getting interfered in by a pope and his cardinals, or some mad mullahs. Ah said secular Asbo, urr you hivin an affair? Who's daen the catering?. You said by a Pope is there merr than wan?
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Post by Waverley on Jan 26, 2009 19:31:16 GMT 1
'Ah wid be saying the same if the Act of Succession banned the Monarch fae merrying a Protestant'
I have no doubt ypu mean well Nell but as a lapsed Catholic and lay person your opinion carries no weight it is the attitude of the Cardinals and the rest of the Roman Catholic heirarchy which worries me.
And the day that they agree that Protestant and Catholic children sit side by side in a school in Scotland I will agree that Catholics have the right to sit side by side a Protestant Monarch on the British throne...
Do you seriously think that any British Monarch would ever contemplate marrying a Muslim...I don't think so.
I don't think that the Act of Settlement is the big issue but more the Westminster Confession of Faith of 1646.
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Nell I am sorry I thought that I had quoted your original message and duly answered but have just realised that I have modified it rather than quoting it...sorry about that.
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Post by helen on Jan 26, 2009 20:16:20 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Jan 26, 2009 20:27:50 GMT 1
Yes Nell that is correct I deleted it by mistake when I thought I had only highlighted the sentence that is quoted...sorry. Feel free to put it back on again if you have saved a copy of it.
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Post by helen on Jan 26, 2009 22:23:49 GMT 1
See whit ah mean ah dont know anything aboot the Westminster Confession of Faith, ahm away tae fun oot aboot it
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Post by helen on Jan 26, 2009 22:29:00 GMT 1
My Gosh Charlie its a mighty tome will take me a wee while tae digest it, watch this space.........................................
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Post by Waverley on Jan 26, 2009 23:01:31 GMT 1
A wee interesting snippet, the bold Billy also had an acknowledged mistress for years, Elizabeth Villiers, he gave her up on the express wishes of his wife. I think also the fact that she offered him the Crown of England had a lot to do with the fact that he began to see less and less of Elizabeth Villiers who by all accounts was not a good looking women but he was attracted to her because of her wit. It is believed that he began his affair with Villiers three years into his marraige to Mary and was caught several times by Mary coming from Villiers's chambers in the wee small hours...Villiers was seven years older than Mary and a motherly figure.
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Post by Waverley on Jan 26, 2009 23:04:05 GMT 1
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Post by pitbull on Sept 4, 2009 23:13:20 GMT 1
i,ve name myt house BOYNE i,ve built a half crown arch with the word BOYNE in spanish tiles cemented onto the pebbledash. WATP.N.S.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 16:01:22 GMT 1
Willem Alexander he holds the titel of Prince of Orange, he is the son of Queen Beatrix of Holland, if he succseeds his mother he will have the titel of King Willem IV
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Post by patrick on Nov 2, 2009 16:34:08 GMT 1
has anyone read this book,my nephew gave it to me?
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