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Post by sanny on Mar 15, 2009 20:52:46 GMT 1
This might already be known but there is a significant Polish section in Dalbeth cemetery. I had reason to be down there a few years ago and got talking to an old Polish man who was tending the graves (all the graves) that needed some tidying up. An ex. soldier of the Free Polish army of course, we had a delightful chat.
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Post by wildmacrae on Apr 7, 2009 7:49:00 GMT 1
"The point is Alex why do we need to import foreign workers when there are plenty able bodied British workers unemployed..."
Well the answer to that is easy enough . The unemployed in Glasgow are mainly claiming Sickness Benifit and 80% of them have nothing wrong with them other than Heart and Kidney problems Heart Lazyness and Kidney be bothered. If the Gvt would get of there fat lazy buts and force the long term unemployed those who have been on the buroo for over 3 years to work even if its local work then they would get used to working again and take those jobs that the foreign workers are doing . The Foreign workers are at least WORKING and PAYING TAXES while the idle lazy gits sleep in there beds. Another is the paddy's market sellers out of all the traders there I would say 10% are legal the rest claim benifits. The Poles I have no problem with they was there in the UK in WW2 when we needed them so welcome them with open arms .
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Post by wildmacrae on Apr 8, 2009 7:39:03 GMT 1
Patrick
The trade skills are not to the same standard as UK this is due to the there standards being lower thus electricans and plumbers are not the most wanted among them but general labours. As to the girls selling them selves for a fiver I would not condem nor condone them as it is a matter of survival they do what they have to do to survive back home they have nothing so earn something and go back with something.It has been said that up north of Scotland in Inverness there is such a large Polish community that " This FACT not fiction the local council in Inverness is building a estate for Polish workers" now that i do not agree with house our own first not foreigners but our councilers in local gvt are so f***** up in head they do not know what they are now Muslim, Romainian , Polish, Russian, Latvian, anything but Scottish. But Poland is on the up and soon the masses that arrive in the UK will return and it will be UK tradesmen who go to Poland.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 8, 2009 7:44:04 GMT 1
I am not digging anyone out in particular, I dont know the strength back home in scotland, what I do know is they are working for peanuts, down here in london, and they are s---, the polish girls are dirt, they will f--- anybody for a fiver or less, theres no way I would welcome them down here no way no how. A fiver or less...Patrick I'll be down on the next plane. At they prices we can go in three times each and we will still have change out of £50 note for a wee swally as well
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Post by Waverley on Apr 8, 2009 7:51:24 GMT 1
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Post by Waverley on Apr 8, 2009 7:57:27 GMT 1
Yes you are correct Danny the Poles were very much an important part of our armed forces during the dark days of World War II. I must admit I have to admire the old Polish ex-servicemen who turn up at George Square every November for Remembrance Sunday...we like them lost several hundred thousand of our countrymen fighting the evil of Nazi German but they also lost their country which the majority could not return to until recently with the fall of Communism. www.ostrycharz.free-online.co.uk/OB.html#OB_Table_1
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Post by palaisgirl on Apr 8, 2009 13:31:28 GMT 1
theres no way I would welcome them down here no way no how
Well patrick thank god we did welcome them after the war or I wouldnae be here. I am half polish and my father was stationed here after the war, I know there is a different generation here now, but the poles I know here in Cumbernauld are grafters, In fact 2 of them re-palstered my living room for me last year and it wasn't because they were the cheapest, it was because they were recommended by friends. As for your views on the polish women, I am sure we have quite a few female junkies who would also do what you suggested for a fiver to aid their addiction. Unlike you patrick with other posts, I wont take this personally!!!!!
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Post by tammccann on Apr 8, 2009 15:57:04 GMT 1
Starting at 4.30 am all i can say is im glad the poles are here , there the only people you see going to there work at that time, and are not shy in getting a taxi to make sure they get there,As for Polish girls being dirt , We have plenty of junkies and tarts in Glasgow but i have still to come across any Polish ones,Maybe its just London that attracts them.
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Post by helen on Apr 8, 2009 18:31:12 GMT 1
I work for the Department of the Environment, and there are quite a few Polish people working there, one of them I work closely with, he is a nice guy and he is diligent and works very hard. There was a Scottish diaspora to Poland in the 16th century. Lovely people and I have never met a Polish girl who would sell herself for a fiver and I have met quite a few.
Scotland & Poland From as far back as the mid 15th century there were Scots trading and settling in Poland. A Scot's Pedlar Pack in Poland, which became a proverbial expression, usually consisted of cloths, woollen goods and linen handkerchiefs. Itinerants also sold tin and ironware such as scissors and knives. Along with the protection offered by King Stephen in the Royal Grant of 1576 a district in Krakow was assigned to Scots immigrants.
Records from 1592 reveal Scots settlers being granted citizenship of Krakow giving their employment as trader or merchant. Payment for being granted citizenship ranged from 12 Polish florins to a musket and gunpowder or an undertaking to marry within a year and a day of acquiring a holding.
By the 1600s there were an estimated 30,000 Scots living in Poland. Many came from Dundee and Aberdeen and could be found in Polish towns from Krakow to Lublin. Settlers from Aberdeenshire were mainly Episcopalians or Catholics, but there were also large numbers of Calvinists. As well as Scottish traders, there were also many Scottish soldiers in Poland. In 1656 a number of Scottish Highlanders who were disenchanted with Oliver Cromwell's rule went to Poland in the service of the King of Sweden.
The Scots integrated well and many acquired great wealth. They contributed to many charitable institutions in the host country, but did not forget their homeland; for example, in 1701 when collections were made for the restoration fund of the Marischal College, Aberdeen, the Scottish settlers in Poland gave generously.
Many Royal Grants and privileges were granted to Scottish merchants until the 1700s at which time the settlers began to merge more and more into the native population. Bonnie Prince Charlie was half Polish, being the son of James Edward Stewart and Clementina Sobieska, granddaughter of Jan Sobieski, King of Poland. The City of Warsaw elected a Scottish immigrant Aleksander Czamer (Alexander Chalmers) as the mayor.
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Post by wildmacrae on Apr 8, 2009 21:34:35 GMT 1
I dare say among the Poles (sorry better be PC) Polish Community that there is undesirables just like we have. How ever there not shy to get of there back side and work for what they can get . Unlike a fair amount of our own who will do nothing except put there hands out constantly for Giro etc. We could actually twin some of our Giro grabbing friends with 90% of those illegal people from Romania they only Beg Steal or Mug or Rob a way of life for some of them. I have never seen one in Glasgow WORK yet even when I was in Paris they was in the underground begging and in London a way of life . The UK needs to sit up and smell the roses we are allowing into the country 1,000s of illegal workers and doing nothing about them when they are caught they use the MAGIC word I have NO PASSPORT and there is nothing we can do to deport them. We should actually send them back and pay them Giro money back home would save the tax payer money. Crooks from the EEC When caught should be sent back home and made to serve the prison term there in there non cushy jails I am not sure the cost to keep some one in a UK jail but I am positive that it would be a lot cheaper to keep them in there own country's jail so again pay there country to take them back and serve there time there . Sorry to rant but that lass that was murdered in queens park deserves proper justice than for low life who killed her in cold blood and then raped her be give 12 cushy years in a UK jail with TV 3 meals a day fresh linen and free health checks .
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Post by wildmacrae on Apr 10, 2009 7:40:02 GMT 1
Patrick There is Good and bad no matter what country you go to. Like neds they dress and act the same the world over. As to any girl in London selling her self for a fiver I dont think so those pimps and gangsters in control down there know what money there is to be made on that score. However I am not saying what your telling us is not the truth could well be a isolated case some girls needing money to pay rent etc who knows . Should never realy happen any way in this day and age any way. Dan
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Post by wildmacrae on Apr 10, 2009 11:39:48 GMT 1
Fair enough Patrick point taken
Dan
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Post by justjoe on Apr 16, 2009 0:47:44 GMT 1
Dont want to fall out with anyone here,since I only pop in now and again, BUT, at a guess Patrick, I'm sure some of your ancestors took a fare bit of stick when they came to Scotland looking for work. I know mine did.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 16, 2009 9:27:00 GMT 1
Dont want to fall out with anyone here,since I only pop in now and again, BUT, at a guess Patrick, I'm sure some of your ancestors took a fare bit of stick when they came to Scotland looking for work. I know mine did. I reckon it was always the case for any 'outsider' trying to get work no matter which city or country you happened to be in if it wasn't your nationality or your religion there would always be something that some idiot would have a grievance with you coming into their place of work.I have experienced it in my time but I would always be right in their face and show them up for the bams they really were as a person...or an excuse for a human being.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 13:40:52 GMT 1
I am going to Krakow in a few weeks time. DOn't have much dosh what with the strike an all. Wonder how I could make a few quid?? Seriously going to Auswitch which will be quite upsetting I should think. Anyone been?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 15:50:52 GMT 1
The Poles left them in their Soles
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 17:08:24 GMT 1
my son went a few years ago, with the school the locals robbed him his teacher and his school of everything they had in their pockets, not satisfied with that they also took the shoes off their feet.#####=## Aye right Patrick...you wouldn't be xenophobic would you? See these Irish.well yi cannie turn yir back oan them. Take yir jobs...take yir wummin! Whit next?
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Post by pwm437 on Apr 16, 2009 17:46:15 GMT 1
I am going to Krakow in a few weeks time. DOn't have much dosh what with the strike an all. Wonder how I could make a few quid?? Seriously going to Auswitch which will be quite upsetting I should think. Anyone been? I've promised myself that I will visit Auswitz one day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 18:10:38 GMT 1
sorry to disappoint you Irene but I dont hate or fear foreigners, or anything foreign, after all I married a foreigner[english]ha,ha, I have a turkish son inlaw, and my boys girlfriend is jamaican.x mmm...must make for interesting conversations Jackie boy!!!! Why does the name Alf Garnett spring to mind? ;D
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Post by Waverley on Apr 16, 2009 20:44:01 GMT 1
my son went a few years ago, with the school the locals robbed him his teacher and his school of everything they had in their pockets, not satisfied with that they also took the shoes off their feet.#####=## Where were they Barrowfield in the 1970's early 1980's. I am laughing away here Patrick as we were talking about it only last night with a couple of guys from Barrafield in the Clanny and they did confirm that it was a regular occurences on the London Road by a certain family from the bottom end of the scheme. My lips are sealed as to who these 'pirates' were but they share a common surname with a certain old high profile member of this board...who had a farm ;D The Spur were famous for it in my day. And as for you and Alf Garnet I'd rather be bald than support they shower of... By the way I am away aff the thread here so please if you wish o reply to this take it on to the Weegie Board.
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