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Post by trotsky on Mar 23, 2008 15:10:22 GMT 1
This was the biggest gang in Parkheed in the 60's. It was made up of guys from all over Parkhead. They would hang about at the junction of Crail Street and Westmuir Street and at Parkhaed X at the junction of Westmuir Street and Tollcross Road. They would also stand outside the Granada cinema when the pictures finished looking to have a go and any lads from other areas who were at the pictures. The Sally and Wee Men were also from Parkhead and knew the guys from the Border through school and other connections. The "enemy" were the Tigers from Shettleston and the Rebels from down Springfield Road. The bit I remember most about the Border was that it wasn't just daft wee boys that wee part of this gang, there were some guys in their 20's and 30's that were associated with it as well.
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Post by pitbull on Mar 23, 2008 15:20:01 GMT 1
ye must admit trotsky everybody regardless of age who was in a GANG were just DAFT WEE BOYS, but such was the mentality and culture of glesga.
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Post by trotsky on Mar 23, 2008 17:06:49 GMT 1
Good point pitbull, a suppose its also a lot to do with where your were brought up and who you associate with, in those days you were more restricted to your own area, especially if you didn't need to leave it, you went to school, you got a job, you drank in the local pubs, and therfor you saw youself as part of the local area and culture, including the gang for that area regadless of how old you were. Do you think the gangs now are different?
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Post by pitbull on Mar 23, 2008 21:42:00 GMT 1
i,d say they probaly are different trotsky too much drug culture out there nowadays, and the respect for the auld yins has gone oot the windie, and theres not as much pub culture going on these days and could you imagine what it would of been like in the auld days if we,d had mobile phones, and aw these fangdangled playstation games some of wid never of went oot we could unleash aw oor violence on oor wii or ps2 . ;D i can remember at 16, 17. and nearly 18 sitting listening to all my auld heros in the pub at brigton cross the mermaid and dominion and majuka telling aw there fighting stories, these guys were in there 40s and 50s and my mates wid sit and play dominoes wi them i went back for a visit years later, guess what they were still telling the same tales and my mate was still sitting playing dominoes wi them nae wonder i got out of brigton , i remember questioning maself saying theres got to be something better than this. and ye know what there is and its called the world and am still exploring it 35 years on ;D
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Post by trotsky on Mar 24, 2008 13:48:10 GMT 1
Hello pitbull, I was the same, just knew there were something else than life in Parkheed and left when I was 20, eventually settled in Yorkshire and lived there happily for twenty five years. But a know there are folk who are quite content to stay where they are, still see some of them when I go back to Parkhead, don't think there still in the Border gang though ;D: its the same in the Scottish Borders, there are people here who say that a day away from.....Melrose, Galashiels, Hawick, Kelso, or wherever is a day wasted, their happy with what is here and don't want anything to change, takes all sorts
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Post by Waverley on Feb 3, 2009 8:02:04 GMT 1
alfie allan led the border he was the guvnor. he lived off westmuir st, caroline st Alfie is still a well known figure in the Parkhead area...
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Post by trotsky on Feb 10, 2009 17:23:43 GMT 1
If I remember right most of this gang came from the Crail Street part of Parkheed, there used to be new scheme type housing sandwiched between Sorby St and Crail st and Westmuir St and Tollcross Rd and that was where they lived and hung about at the end of Crail St where the fish and chip shop was or up at Parkhead cross itself. There was a big family called Woods that lived there and Joe Woods was a mate of Alfie Alens
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Post by Waverley on Feb 11, 2009 7:58:07 GMT 1
That scheme Trotsky was later known as the Whiterose Housing Scheme and has recently been bulldozed and completely rebuilt.
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Post by trotsky on Feb 11, 2009 13:58:56 GMT 1
Did the scheme have a bit in the middle that was used as a fitba pitch, seem to remember us hotshots from Nisbet Street/Salamanca street playing agains some of these the guys from that area, bunch of clogers so they were. Where is was/is caroline st There was another big family that lived there as well called Cooks and the older brother was called Joe and he was a pal of Alfie and ran about at Parkheed X and the Border
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Post by holywell37 on Feb 12, 2009 19:43:40 GMT 1
It was the coutts family.
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Post by daisy on Feb 12, 2009 20:05:38 GMT 1
It was the coutts family. which just happens to be my mothers family name ;D
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Post by trotsky on Feb 13, 2009 10:32:01 GMT 1
It was the coutts family. Is this the same family, I remember Joe had a younger brother, I think he was called James but not 100% sure. He used to hang about down Salamanca street at one bit as well as the Border, also drank in the Daft shop at the corner of Nisbet St, the one with the drinking horse, which also happened to be my old mans local before the whole tenement was pulled down(including ma wee hoose)
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Post by masterglasser on Apr 3, 2009 22:57:33 GMT 1
ah, thought the CALTON TONGS were the biggest and most feared gang in the east-end, TONGS YA BASS!!!! Masterglasser.
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Post by holywell37 on Apr 4, 2009 13:44:38 GMT 1
you didnt know the tongs, patrick.
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Post by holywell37 on Apr 4, 2009 16:10:30 GMT 1
i don't know you patrick, but i knew a helluva lot of the tongs that would go toe to toe with anybody, and that's from the sixties and seventies.
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Post by holywell37 on Apr 4, 2009 17:28:51 GMT 1
I was never a tong, patrick, i am from camlachie, but there was guy's from all over glasgow, that ran with the tongs.In the sixties they were the biggest gang in the city.
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Post by holywell37 on Apr 4, 2009 17:52:38 GMT 1
your'e about as funny as toothache, patrick.
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Post by holywell37 on Apr 4, 2009 22:00:10 GMT 1
cheers.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 4, 2009 23:05:17 GMT 1
Just like anybody else masterglasser, get them on thier own and they were more feert, than feared, and that included the calton tongs. Patrick I knew a lot of real fighters in the Parkhead area when I was younger who could use their fists rather than a chib and they were not liberty takers. I witnessed a lot of really heavy duty square go's in the 1960's and 70's.
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Post by kiltie on Apr 5, 2009 7:26:23 GMT 1
the name of the street where the coutts family lived was powfoot street,it could be entered from crail street and sorby street.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 5, 2009 18:55:16 GMT 1
My point being Patrick that if you managed to get some of the guys I knew who could handle themselves on their own you would need to have been a really good fighter to give them a hiding. Some of these guys are only in their mid to late fifties and I would back them against half the wee neds who are half their age in the east end in a square go. A lot of these guys still get respect because when they were young they didn't do drugs either personally or provided them and only used a weapon against those who used one against them and even more to the point they never took liberties.
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Post by Waverley on Apr 5, 2009 23:55:17 GMT 1
I never said that you were a liberty taker and whether you could handle yourself or couldn't. I was simply referring to your post whereby you said.
Just like anybody else masterglasser, get them on thier own and they were more feert, than feared, and that included the calton tongs.
That may have been the case for some guys but I grew up with a lot of guys who could fight for Scotland ...I ,thank feck, was never built of the same material as them when I was younger. Whilst I am in favour of allowing people to discuss the street gangs of the east end on here as part of the areas social history... I will not allow the glorification of individuals or certain gangs. Simple reason being I still live , work and drink in the east end and have already been pulled up by several angry relatives who have seen their families names been talked about on here.
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Post by Beth on Apr 10, 2009 13:32:48 GMT 1
I must have slept through the 60s
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 18:59:37 GMT 1
Well said Charlie. wee men ya bass. ;D ;D
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Post by athenalaidlaw on Apr 22, 2010 11:46:12 GMT 1
we st.ayed up the stairs from the coutts family our name was reilly family from east wellington st the coutts family where joe alex stevie jim ann christine hugh
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Post by trotsky on Apr 29, 2010 17:18:38 GMT 1
we st.ayed up the stairs from the coutts family our name was reilly family from east wellington st the coutts family where joe alex stevie jim ann christine hugh Hello athena, did you used to live downstairs at the end close on East Wellington St and have a brother, I think his name was Joe, who used to hang about with the Sally?
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Post by trotsky on Jun 1, 2010 23:00:57 GMT 1
Hello athena, got it wrong, the name of the guy I was thinking about was Paddy, but the other details are right. Anyway, to continue the thread regarding the Border gang. I remember wan time somebody got the malky in Parkheed by some guys fra the Tigers fra Shettleston, a few days later a gathering took place up at Parkheed cross where the main Border guys and the wee men and some of the Sally and others guys fra around Parkheed all met up. It was like a military operation, some took off and went up the Tollcross Road and through the park and some went straight up Westmuir Street and intae Shettleston. They all converged on where the Tigers were when they used tae hang about in that cafe on Shettleston Road opposite the swimming baths; serious violence took place that night in Shettleston when the Parkheed mob took their revenge, I remember it was in the papers a few days after. I'm not trying tae glorify it by the way, just trying tae recall it as something that happened in my Parkheed upbringing, anybody else remember this, can’t even remember then the month or year was, early stage dementia perhaps
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Post by martini82 on Feb 26, 2015 12:28:42 GMT 1
My Dad was a tiger in the late 50's till late 60's. Later moved to border, dalton street in the 80's Names on here I grew up with there kids. Lol the stuff u come across.
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Post by Andrew Thomson on Mar 18, 2015 19:25:29 GMT 1
Hate to burst anybody'S bubble, but I was in Parkhead every day early mid and late 60's, dont remeber this gang at all AT.
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Post by the oracle on Apr 15, 2015 21:15:11 GMT 1
davie stone was a border man
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