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Post by Waverley on Dec 26, 2007 23:03:55 GMT 1
Whilst this is not a thread to glamorise or glorify east end street gangs which I am sure we were all aware of when growing up in the area. I would ask that we do not publish posts which promote violence in anyway or form or condone it...especially for those people who have been victims of gang violence who may be reading these boards. So please refrain from using names of people who have either been victims or perpetrators of such crimes who may still be alive and living within our communities. Murders and crimes which have been reported in the public domain should only be used as a point of reference opinions as to the rights and wrongs of the court outcome should be restricted to PM's if it has to be discussed at all.
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Post by trotsky on Dec 30, 2007 17:51:12 GMT 1
Charlie, the photo in the Cut and Run threads, do you know where it comes from? I've seen it somewhere before and thought it was connected not with gangs but from a pro- republican march that took place in the center of Glasgow in the early 1970's, in the picture behind the two people fighting they are lined up as if on a march and there is also a guy with a flag, the cloths of some of the people in the picture look to be from that period
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Post by pwm437 on Dec 30, 2007 20:22:32 GMT 1
The guy in the white coat, moustache and smoking, is a plain clothes police officer who is just about to draw his truncheon with his right hand.
Quite a well known image.
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Post by Waverley on Dec 30, 2007 21:03:34 GMT 1
Yes lads you are both correct the event was a 'Troops Out' march held in Glasgow in the very early 1970's and the guy with the open razor attacking the undercover policeman is known to myself and some others on here. He was sentenced to seven years for this act of folly and is still living in Bridgeton in fact he passed me at the Toll only the other week. I know you have probably heard it all before but a nicer guy you could never meet and how he got involved in all that madness is a mystery to all who know him. He played for Bridgeton Waverley for a season when he was released from prison and never once mentioned the incident or the time he served in prison...I doubt if anyone who attacked a policeman with an open razor was given an easy time of it in jail.
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Post by brigton on Dec 31, 2007 0:17:49 GMT 1
he was in my class at school - I was there that day and couldn't believe it when that photo was published.
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Post by trotsky on Jan 2, 2008 17:17:48 GMT 1
I had left Glasgow at this time but seem to remember reading or hearing that these troops out marches attracted a lot of violence and they stoped having them or they moved elswhere?
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Post by trotsky on Jan 5, 2008 17:13:42 GMT 1
Was the Calton Tongs the most well known Glasgow gang of that period? Remember reading a bit a few years ago in the Sunday Post about how some reader was talking about going into a toilet somewhere in the USA and the "Tongs ya bass" slogan was painted on the wall.
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Post by smidy on Jan 14, 2008 21:34:20 GMT 1
I remember the day very well a big team of us headed up the town on the train there was a well known PASTOR who got us all together telling us what to do but us from brigton had other idears just before that picture happen there was about 20 or so split from the main group and got behind the main demo which the cops blocked in we came charging down to meet the demo coming up the hill when all hell broke lose can remember that day as clear and I knew the young fellow in the picture very well at that time. All as I can say is it could happen to the best of us we just dont know whats round the corner.
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Post by asbo on Feb 5, 2008 23:49:49 GMT 1
The picture in the 'cut and run' post was used in an article in today''s Daily Mail to illustrate an article that claimed that there are currently more teen gangs in Glasgow than in the whole of London, despite London having a population greater than the whole of Scotland. Seems Glasgow's violent reputation is proving difficult to shake off.
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Post by Waverley on Feb 7, 2008 8:13:32 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more with you Pitbull but a gang of twenty neds standing at a corner as you approach them is frightening whether it be in London or on the London Road...bring back the old Untouchables and their wee two toned blue Transit van. A shower of basras I admit but an necessary evil in the fight against neds and the gang culture of yesteryear.
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Post by Waverley on Feb 7, 2008 23:12:20 GMT 1
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Post by trotsky on Feb 8, 2008 11:55:26 GMT 1
I'm on of those sad guys who spends an evening glued to the telly watching how other people live their lives, ok I don't do it all the time and its more of a family sitting together watching the telly, bit like Ricky Thomlinson and the Royal family if you know what I mean, anyway, we have been watching a story on the Bill that finished last night and that is full of London gangs, shootings and riots, ok its only TV but if parts of London are anything like the way its shown on the Bill I'm glad am no living there.
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Post by pitbull on Feb 27, 2008 20:42:09 GMT 1
there was more photos when the polis got him on the deck he was a nice guy and what the hell came over him i,ll never know, he,s the last yin ye,d expect to pull a tool. he was an apprentice electrician when i last saw him.
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Post by Waverley on Feb 27, 2008 23:04:38 GMT 1
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Post by pitbull on Feb 28, 2008 1:38:49 GMT 1
aye yer right there am one for diving in too quick even now, i was gonna text a boss tonight and tell him exactly what i thought of him, but cleaned it up a bit and funny enough he said he wanted me on the next job as his chargehand that could of cost me the job haha and haw columba derry rule okay ya timmaloy ye
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Post by Waverley on Apr 30, 2008 7:34:39 GMT 1
Off the top of your heid who do you reckon was the biggest gang in the east end in say the mid to late 1960's...ok you showever of numpties yese knew what I meant...don't be pedantic. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by trotsky on Apr 30, 2008 10:23:22 GMT 1
"biggest gand" in the East end.....whit's wan o them, an have we all got wan or is it just a male thing, an if it is who wis doing the measuring
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 11:08:35 GMT 1
You do not know what a " Gand " is Trotsky ?
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Post by trotsky on Apr 30, 2008 11:55:10 GMT 1
Is it slang fur something, it sounds like a sex organ, like - show us your gand an I'll show you mine? If someone was going about the east end in the 60's to see who had the biggest wan then nobody told me about it, maybe that's just as well as I'm sure there must have been a lot bigger p.... about the east end at the time ;D
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Post by Waverley on Apr 30, 2008 14:35:34 GMT 1
;D ;D ;D ; It is okay by me ya pair of pedantic auld pan-handlers I'll get you both back...yese know whit I meant.
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Post by pitbull on May 1, 2008 1:07:42 GMT 1
Off the top of your heid who do you reckon was the biggest gang in the east end in say the mid to late 1960's...ok you showever of numpties yese knew what I meant...don't be pedantic. ;D ;D ;D it must of been the spur i,d say waverley
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Post by adaline on May 1, 2008 7:46:56 GMT 1
Aye Pitbull that's what I was going to say.
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Post by trotsky on May 1, 2008 9:19:35 GMT 1
Naw it must have been the Border, they came from the whole of Parkhead no a Street or a wee part of the East end
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Post by pitbull on May 1, 2008 12:52:23 GMT 1
the spur came fae london road barrowfield st stamford st bernard st and dunn st and surrounding areas, we used to huv tae cut through bernard st tae go tae my grandas hoose in bernard st and tae my burds hoose in stamford st and that spur mob were like apaches they were fecking everywhere, the fery stood on the corner of fairbairn street as did the nunny on there st and derry at the toll, but the BEN HUR PHEWWW BIG TEAM , SORRY TROTSKY but yer outnumbered this time pal. and the border never heard of them ;D
haw trotsky dont be throwing the rattle oot the pram, i,ve no got a clue about the border or how many was in it i never went that far up intae the east end, bad enough getting on a 64 up tae belvidere with that termy mob
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Post by Waverley on May 1, 2008 15:18:01 GMT 1
Maybe in your time Trotsky but certainly not in mine. The Sally had control of Parkhead Cross down to the White Gates in Duke Street and the streets in and around Salamanca Street and the Rebels 'the lights' at Springy Road...the Border were restricted to the bottom end of Westmuir Street from Crail Street down to the Sheddens at Shettleston. The Tombstone later known as the Parkhead Wee Men came from Tollcross Road from Parkhead Garage onwards into nearby Lilybank. In fact even the young ones in Parkhead today talk about 'doon or 'er Border' when speaking of the area at the bottom end of Westmuir Street and the Whiterose Housing Scheme in the Caroline Street area. In fact as I write there is a funeral today of a guy called Tam Hamilton ,he had a brother nicknamed Conga who went to Rivvy, who I believe was a Sally Boy and I know that several of my pals are away to the funeral which will be like a Sally Boy re-union so there will be a lot of ducking and diving of imaginary blades and fists as former battles with the Border are refought and remembered in the Prince Charlie tonight.
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Post by trotsky on May 1, 2008 16:04:41 GMT 1
That's interesting Charlie, obviously times change. When we were old enough to go into the local pubs we stoped hanging about Salamanca Street and a new young team took over, so maybe the time I'm am talking about changed to the wan you know (in the early 70'?). I do remember one time when a guy in the Border called Wullie Bennet, who lived in Crail Street, was attacked up his close wan night by guys from Shettlestin, the Tigers, a big mob got together the next night, 50-100 guys and walked down from Parkhead X up through Tollcross park and came down into Shettleston via the swimming baths and laid waste to parts of Shettleston, the Border were joined that night by guys from the Wee Men and Sally and some guys from Carntyne as they all used to know each other and hang about sometimes as they would have known each other from going to the same schools. Was trying to remember the Conga name and now its suddenley come back. I knew him and his wee brother Tom, they used to hang about with Robert Simpson so Tom would be about early to mid 50's, sad, do you know how he died? Ps also remembered more, both went to Parkhead School, and Conga was in my class
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Post by adaline on May 1, 2008 20:56:39 GMT 1
The guy Conga you mention was his name John Hamilton and married to Evelyn Moffat ? Evelyn is the sister of an old pal of my husband.
Charlie could you please tell us if you know what happened to Tam sorry to hear this.
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Post by pitbull on May 1, 2008 23:16:59 GMT 1
the way these guys teamed up, its funny at brigton cross on some big match days the derry seemed to quadruple in a matter of hours wi the odd spur punter a coupler fae parkhead and the dickie fae main street and nunnyboys then the baltic and ferry would aw turn up doon ra toll even the odd powery punter fae the bristol bar was an honourary derry boy for the day, and the odd wan would stroll in fae afar as west london know whit ah mean an awrat. and dundee and i could name them aw as well ;D is that right charlie
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Post by trotsky on May 2, 2008 14:56:20 GMT 1
The guy Conga you mention was his name John Hamilton and married to Evelyn Moffat ? Evelyn is the sister of an old pal of my husband. Charlie could you please tell us if you know what happened to Tam sorry to hear this. Adaline Hello Adaline , yes his first name is John, when you mentioned it another wee bit of the memory fell into place, do you know why he was called Conga? (I think I remember) was there also a sister in the family?
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